Is the Hornet this stable IRL?

[Digitalvole]

Just wondering (I assume it is) as I had a little zoom about in the viper yesterday and that feels a lot more, I don’t know the right word, twitchy? 

The Hornet seems to just go where you point it, every other module I’ve flown takes a bit more work to keep it going in the right direction.

I was listening to the afterburner podcast the other day and a Viper & test pilot said the best plane he flew (and he’d flown a lot of planes) other than the Viper was the Hornet. He said it was very stable.

But I still wonder if ours is a little too stable, but then again I know nothing of flying real planes let alone fast jets.

What is the general consensus on this?  And do ED have rl pilots helping them like with the AH64 and Viper?

[Tom Kazansky]

Here is Gonky (who was RL F/A-18 pilot) doing some carrier landings. That might not answer your question exactly, but what/how he is doing shows that he might miss to feel the aircraft but he never complains about Hornet beeing too stable. In fact how he does those patterns and approaches visualy shows how close DCS is to the real thing imho.

But I also would appreciate every opninion of real pilots on this topic.

edit: there a more of those videos in Mover's YT channel (called "C.W. Lemoine", former F-16 driver and DCS fan, if I may say so!?). Mover & Gonky are talking a lot about what's close and what's not so close to reality in their opinion with DCS. They had a lot of fun too.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Tom Kazansky

[BIGNEWY]

58 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

Just wondering (I assume it is) as I had a little zoom about in the viper yesterday and that feels a lot more, I don’t know the right word, twitchy? 

The Hornet seems to just go where you point it, every other module I’ve flown takes a bit more work to keep it going in the right direction.

I was listening to the afterburner podcast the other day and a Viper & test pilot said the best plane he flew (and he’d flown a lot of planes) other than the Viper was the Hornet. He said it was very stable.

But I still wonder if ours is a little too stable, but then again I know nothing of flying real planes let alone fast jets.

What is the general consensus on this?  And do ED have rl pilots helping them like with the AH64 and Viper?

Hi 

we have a lot of data and very clever devs, as well as real world SME's who help us. 

If you think something is wrong we are happy to check it, but we would need evidence. 

thanks

[Tank50us]

The real world F/A-18 is an incredibly stable platform in flight. The reason the F-16 is so 'twitchy' is because it was the first FBW aircraft put into production, and it actually requires very little stick movement to get the plane to do what you want it to. The F-18 is, at its core, a carrier aircraft, and that requires that it is very stable, and that any commands that it's given are deliberate. You bump the stick in a hornet, and odds are it's not going to do anything. You bump the stick in a Viper, and you flip. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[Digitalvole]

Thanks for the reply’s chaps

27 minutes ago, Tom Kazansky said:

Here is Gonky (who was RL F/A-18 pilot) doing some carrier landings. That might not answer your question exactly, but what/how he is doing shows that he might miss to feel the aircraft but he never complains about Hornet beeing too stable. In fact how he does those patterns and approaches visualy shows how close DCS is to the real thing imho.

But I also would appreciate every opninion of real pilots on this topic.

edit: there a more of those videos in Mover's YT channel (called "C.W. Lemoine", former F-16 driver and DCS fan, if I may say so!?). Mover & Gonky are talking a lot about what's close and what's not so close to reality in their opinion with DCS. They had a lot of fun too.

 

Great, I will watch these, cheers.

6 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi 

we have a lot of data and very clever devs, as well as real world SME's who help us. 

If you think something is wrong we are happy to check it, but we would need evidence. 

thanks

I’m sure you do, and that’s why we have what we have which I’m very grateful for everyday. Your products have been taking over my life steadily since 2016.

I’m just curious is all, I don’t think something is wrong because I don’t know what is right I eagerly await any updates and new stuff for the plane you guys have made me so attached to. Keep up the good work. 

2 minutes ago, Tank50us said:

The real world F/A-18 is an incredibly stable platform in flight. The reason the F-16 is so 'twitchy' is because it was the first FBW aircraft put into production, and it actually requires very little stick movement to get the plane to do what you want it to. The F-18 is, at its core, a carrier aircraft, and that requires that it is very stable, and that any commands that it's given are deliberate. You bump the stick in a hornet, and odds are it's not going to do anything. You bump the stick in a Viper, and you flip. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

Good news, thanks mate. 

[Burt]

I'm sure it is but remember the harder you pull/ goes where you point the nose in the DCS Hornet and IRL Hornet , you lose speed and have to gain it back or you'll go defensive/ DIE !.

I'm sure the F22 is the same too. Thank god this is just a Sim or I would be replying to this post. 

[BuzzU]

I wonder is those that use a pressure mod in the DCS Viper stick think it's twitchy?

[Burt]

1 hour ago, BuzzU said:

I wonder is those that use a pressure mod in the DCS Viper stick think it's twitchy?

What’s a pressure mod ? 

[Burt]

Wait if your referring to a pressure base like the Realsimulator FSSB R3L, no the Viper is no twitchy. Although if you set the Pressure to the lowest values it could be I guess. But I have been flying the Viper with the R3L at around 8 lbs pitch and 4lbs roll And I do not feel the viper having a twitchy feeling. 

[Dragon1-1]

1 hour ago, Burt said:

What’s a pressure mod ? 

A limited displacement force-sensing stick, like in the real thing. Those systems are typically "mods", not standalone sticks (although Winwing might eventually sell an all-up force sensing kit). The real Viper SSC requires somewhat higher forces than the commercially available controllers, but all interviews with real pilots indicate it's flown with very gentle stick pressures.

[BuzzU]

34 minutes ago, Burt said:

Wait if your referring to a pressure base like the Realsimulator FSSB R3L, no the Viper is no twitchy. Although if you set the Pressure to the lowest values it could be I guess. But I have been flying the Viper with the R3L at around 8 lbs pitch and 4lbs roll And I do not feel the viper having a twitchy feeling. 

That's what I figured. DCS must be using some specs designed for pressure to move the controls. The majority are using movement.

Just a guess though.

[Tomcat388th]

I had a backseat ride in our Block30 F16c years ago. Got about a 1.5 hours of stick time after a few minutes of flying and getting the feel of the jet response from stick input it was really smooth flying more or less point and shoot.  One thing I can say 9g's is tough I think we pulled it 3 times pilot did it twice and I done it once. Somewhere in my house I have pictures of doing pop up bomb runs on my parents house. Our last 9g turn was about 800feet up above their house and my inlaws it got the neibors cows stirred up.

J

[Digitalvole]

2 hours ago, Tomcat388th said:

I had a backseat ride in our Block30 F16c years ago. Got about a 1.5 hours of stick time after a few minutes of flying and getting the feel of the jet response from stick input it was really smooth flying more or less point and shoot.  One thing I can say 9g's is tough I think we pulled it 3 times pilot did it twice and I done it once. Somewhere in my house I have pictures of doing pop up bomb runs on my parents house. Our last 9g turn was about 800feet up above their house and my inlaws it got the neibors cows stirred up.

J

You sir are one lucky son of a bi.. err gun! I had a helicopter flying lesson once, I was <profanity>e at it even though I’d read Chickenhawk at least twice.

Damn dude, that must have been amazing. Highlight of my life so far has been, (not including family stuff ie kids, meeting my wife etc) 5 days in SA seeing great white sharks up close. It’s pretty crazy seeing one of them swim under your legs. But, if I was able, I might just swap that for an hour in a Viper (or half an hour in a Tomcat )