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[F-2]

If we got a J-10a I would be a happy man.

[FlankerFan35]

17 hours ago, Torbernite said:

Actually, the rumors also say Deka has already made many stuffs at the official request but can't publish them as civil products by now. However, at least they are thought to be trustworthy by the military and may be allowed to gather some information of those less important aircrafts.

 

Perhaps and early-mid batch J-10A as it wouldn't be much more advanced than JF-17

[Baco]

On 9/13/2022 at 10:55 PM, Harlikwin said:

Cool, what fictional radar features will our magical AESA radar have then?

The same fictional features of Heatblurs Ef 2000 or are they publishing a whitepaper on that radar? I bet Iran would love to see that data.

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, Baco said:

The same fictional features of Heatblurs Ef 2000 or are they publishing a whitepaper on that radar? I bet Iran would love to see that data.

I mean honestly this is kinda my point. Nothing in DCS modern is modeled well if at all. There are no documents, even stuff from 90's platforms is hard to find good data on. So you end up with "modern" DCS air combat looking like 3rd gen fighters with more thrust or a bigger missile. Instead of working in a 4.5-5th gen sensor-shooter centric kill chain, which is what "modern" air combat actually looks like. I mean we don't even have 90's era sensor fusion stuff that should be on the hornet, and there are at least some docs that ED does have on that. 

 

Personally Id prefer the focus of DCS to be planes we can actual model to a good degree of fidelity, in terms of FM, sensors, weapons etc. And unfortunately "modern" anything makes that very hard to do credibly. 

Edited November 9, 2022 by Harlikwin

[Baco]

3 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

I mean honestly this is kinda my point. Nothing in DCS modern is modeled well if at all. There are no documents, even stuff from 90's platforms is hard to find good data on. So you end up with "modern" DCS air combat looking like 3rd gen fighters with more thrust or a bigger missile. Instead of working in a 4.5-5th gen sensor-shooter centric kill chain, which is what "modern" air combat actually looks like. I mean we don't even have 90's era sensor fusion stuff that should be on the hornet, and there are at least some docs that ED does have on that. 

 

Personally Id prefer the focus of DCS to be planes we can actual model to a good degree of fidelity, in terms of FM, sensors, weapons etc. And unfortunately "modern" anything makes that very hard to do credibly. 

 

Couldn´t agree more. they should focus in mid 60s early 80s. we have all the data, we have empirical data too. Personaly Im not getting the EF nor the F 15E, dying to get my hands on the A7 and F 8 tho.

[Harlikwin]

17 hours ago, Baco said:

Couldn´t agree more. they should focus in mid 60s early 80s. we have all the data, we have empirical data too. Personaly Im not getting the EF nor the F 15E, dying to get my hands on the A7 and F 8 tho.

Yup, and while for that era some docs can be tricky/hard to find, we know they exist and they are generally "gettable" with the right level of research access. For anything modern say past 2000, its pretty iffy on most things, you might be able to find some data for some systems, but mostly the planes we have already have gaping holes in them systems wise and the systems that are modeled are generally not done well depending on the dev. 

[BalticDude]

I would be happy with anything Deka makes

J-7G, Q/A-5, H-5, J-10, Su-30MKK, etc.

[Napillo]

On 11/9/2022 at 2:49 PM, Harlikwin said:

sensor fusion stuff

yea, there's a lot of ways that sensor fusion / aesa could do, if you ever watched that old movie "Contact" the VLA is a real thing, it's a very large array of radio telescopes that when used in concert are able to detect smaller objects. I don't see any reason why missiles small radars couldn't be powered by the plane and offer a VSA (very small array) to also detect smaller objects. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by Napillo

[Harlikwin]

2 hours ago, Napillo said:

yea, there's a lot of ways that sensor fusion / aesa could do, if you ever watched that old movie "Contact" the VLA is a real thing, it's a very large array of radio telescopes that when used in concert are able to detect smaller objects. I don't see any reason why missiles small radars couldn't be powered by the plane and offer a VSA (very small array) to also detect smaller objects. 

 

Its not even that complicated. For example in the F18 lets say you have the following sensors

Radar: so so bearing accuracy, decent range accuracy, active

RWR: Poor bearing accuracy, poor range accuracy, passive

TGP/IRST: High bearing accuracy, poor/no range accuracy, passive

 

So lets say you get a mig21hit on your RWR at say 9 oclock. Your computer automatically starts building a track file on that emmiter, its not a great track file, but it seems to be changing bearing somewhat since its directly off your 9 oclock and you can start to build a bad track using TMA methods to estimate range. It doesn't seem to be all that far away from you which is of concern, so you take a turn in slighly so you can cue your TGP/IRST and start looking that way since you don't want to give your position away and hey for once you get lucky since its a happy cloudless day and your TGP/IRST actually cues in on what looks to be a target. Now your track file gets updated with the new MUCH higher bearing and azimuth info and since he's still largely off your 9/10 oclock that TMA file starts getting built with much higher levels of accurate data, and you now have a far better range estimate on the target, phew, not nearly as close as you first thought. It is definitely a hotsile emitter though in an area where you are clear to shoot at them. Now unfortunately for you, the track while great in positional accuracy isn't really great for a range estimate, meaning its not a weapons grade track Hi might be in range or not for an aamraam shot. You quickly cue your radar to that target to get a range, the radar locks instantly, and gives you a 25mi range. Perfect for an Aamram shot before his radar can even detect you. And fox3...

Is any of this in DCS? The answer is no. But it should be since many gen4 and certainly all gen4.5 aircraft have capabilities like this, and this is something that 100% distinguishes them from gen3 fighters.

Also in that above scenario you could send that track file to your wingman 10miles away who is doing the same thing, and all of a sudden you likely have a fully passive track you can launch on.

 

For example if Deka does the J10B or J10C, both of those fighters should absolutely have capabilities like this. 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2022 by Harlikwin

[BalticDude]

Hope we get news soon. I understand they prefer to work and not let anyone know what they're doing until they have something ready to show but it would be nice to at least know what's on the menu.

[F-2]

13 hours ago, BalticDude said:

Hope we get news soon. I understand they prefer to work and not let anyone know what they're doing until they have something ready to show but it would be nice to at least know what's on the menu.

In one hand I want know what’s coming (if anything) on the other hand I love how cold it is. “You want to know the next plane? You’ll see on release day.” If I had the talent to make a module I’d kill to be that cool .

[BalticDude]

6 hours ago, F-2 said:

In one hand I want know what’s coming (if anything) on the other hand I love how cold it is. “You want to know the next plane? You’ll see on release day.” If I had the talent to make a module I’d kill to be that cool .

Who said it's a plane? Might be a helicopter, you never know

[Harlikwin]

11 hours ago, F-2 said:

In one hand I want know what’s coming (if anything) on the other hand I love how cold it is. “You want to know the next plane? You’ll see on release day.” If I had the talent to make a module I’d kill to be that cool .

2023 video is coming soon enough, so maybe it will be in there.

[F-2]

34 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

2023 video is coming soon enough, so maybe it will be in there.

I’ve been hoping! That and Chinese new years is in a month

[Torbernite]

New hint from Deka: "1968". 

Only "1968" and nothing more. I think it could be the Q-5 (start of quantity production).

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Edited January 8, 2023 by Torbernite

[F-2]

7 hours ago, Torbernite said:

New hint from Deka: "1968". 

Only "1968" and nothing more. I think it could be the Q-5 (start of quantity production).

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Mind linking it?

[Torbernite]

1小时前，F-2说：

Mind linking it?

https://b23.tv/dTrpPkm

Here. Some discussion below and Q-5 roughly most possible, no more information about subtype.

[F-2]

4 minutes ago, Torbernite said:

https://b23.tv/dTrpPkm

Here. Some discussion below and Q-5 roughly most possible, no more information about subtype.

You da man

[FlankerFan35]

On 1/8/2023 at 7:20 AM, Torbernite said:

New hint from Deka: "1968". 

Only "1968" and nothing more. I think it could be the Q-5 (start of quantity production).

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Could be a Q-5, I'm hoping for a J-7IG or F-7A given this date. The J-7I was the improvement of earlier J-7, with production starting in March 1969 after the order was formally placed on August 25, 1968. 

A J-7I series build won't be anything spectacular but blows any Q-5 away.

 

[jojyrocks]

Q-5 Fantan? 

 

Hmm...I was really hoping for a Shenyang J-8. Although derived from Mig 21, it does look fresh with its very "pointy" design.

I do not know about the J-7 series, but feels to me like yet another Mig 21, looks like one as it is derived from it albeit improved in aerodynamics.

 

But I can see that Q-5 and J-7 series having users nations other than China. 

[Mike_Romeo]

Mhmmm



https://stormbirds.blog/2021/05/05/rumours-suggest-that-su-30mkk-may-be-dekas-next-project/
 

It was btw posted on the ED discord, no Deka doesnt have a own discord becaus Discord is banned in China lol.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Mike_Romeo

[Mike_Romeo]

Source:

 

[F-2]

6 minutes ago, Mike_Romeo said:

Mhmmm



https://stormbirds.blog/2021/05/05/rumours-suggest-that-su-30mkk-may-be-dekas-next-project/
 

It was btw posted on the ED discord, no Deka doesnt have a own discord becaus Discord is banned in China lol.

 

Honestly all four of those would be useful for me. I’d like to do East Asian 90s and 2000s senarios.

[Dr_Pavelheer]

Q-5 could be interesting depending on the version, we don't have any cold war full fidelity red ground attack jets, but it depends on how far out is Su-17/22 which would fill mostly the same niche and be more versatile (ARMs and TV guided missiles) on top of being more recognizable.

I'm not really up to date on my Chinese fighters, but J-8 in a variant that could keep up with Mig-23 MLA and Phantom sounds like fun, but I don't know if PL-11 wouldn't be too modern compared to R24s and AIM-7. If that's the case maybe something slightly more modern to give Mirages 2000c and future Migs 29 9.12 something to fight.

Other than that I don't know what else could be possible to do without sending guys from Deka on free vacation, if you know what I mean, that would make sense in DCS environment.

 

[F-2]

I’ve heard contradictory things on aspide/PL-11 in terms of range and speed. Some sources say it’s similar to AIM-7E with an inverse monopulse seeker (Like SkyFlash), while others say it’s refined enough to approach AIM-7F/M. One thing to note though is because of its articulating fins it’s considered to be far more maneuverable then similar missiles in its class, even if it’s lacking in range and speed.