What would be Mirage F1M's loadout list?

[litzj]

Can dev.team provide roadmap of F1's weapons set?

 

I am curious about which guided munition will be added?

Edited September 25, 2022 by litzj
adding tag

[snocc_]

[Get_Lo]

@snocc_silly goose, you're going to make these guys really upset when the F1M comes out lmao

[snocc_]

hace 7 horas, Get_Lo dijo:

@snocc_silly goose, you're going to make these guys really upset when the F1M comes out lmao

we do a little trolling

 

best part is that's not even an M, its an EDA they painted white for the display, if you check the tail you can see the old rwr antenna and the "C.14C" on the tail number

En 25/9/2022 a las 3:40, litzj dijo:

I am curious about which guided munition will be added?

 

serious answer now, none, the F1M was more of a systems overhaul and didnt add any weapons the CE and EE couldn't use before it

Edited September 26, 2022 by snocc_

[Hodo]

530Fs... AM-39 Exocet, and AS-30L.   Along with a real RER a radar that can IFF and a MFD.  Oh and an assortment of laser guided bombs with tpod.

[gnomechild]

24 minutes ago, Hodo said:

530Fs... AM-39 Exocet, and AS-30L.   Along with a real RER a radar that can IFF and a MFD.  Oh and an assortment of laser guided bombs with tpod.

F1M never used any of those weapons. Though of course would be compatible with the Super 530F the same as all the other F1s.
It does not have a tpod and was never outfitted to use one.
Cannot guide AS-30Ls.
The F1M also never received the ability to use Exocets, though that's commonly repeated due to the radar sea search mode, and Spain obviously never purchased any because they had harpoons.

What are you basing this off of? 

[snocc_]

just to add to the post above me, the F1M didnt receive an IFF interrogator either so to put it quickly and badly you only really get an MFD, a hud, and a more modernised way of doing much of the same the earlier variants did

[Hodo]

On 9/26/2022 at 4:01 PM, gnomechild said:

F1M never used any of those weapons. Though of course would be compatible with the Super 530F the same as all the other F1s.
It does not have a tpod and was never outfitted to use one.
Cannot guide AS-30Ls.
The F1M also never received the ability to use Exocets, though that's commonly repeated due to the radar sea search mode, and Spain obviously never purchased any because they had harpoons.

What are you basing this off of? 

Weapons:

The most lethal weapon which can be carried by the Mirage F1 is the Aerospatiale AM-39 Exocet anti-ship missile. Two Exocets were launched by Iraqi Mirage F1's at the USS Stark on 5/17/87. Alternatively, up to two AS30L air-to-ground missiles can be carried on under-wing hard-points. 2 Matra Super 530 missiles and 2 Matra Magic or AIM-9L Sidewinder air-to-air missiles can also be carried for self-defense. The Mirage F1 carries 2 DEFA 553 30mm canons, internally, with 150 rounds per gun. 14,000lbs of bombs can be carried in lieu of missiles.

- https://www.airfighters.com/aircraft-data/dassault-mirage-f1m 

 

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Spanish F1CM.

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Edited October 1, 2022 by Hodo

[Northstar98]

On 9/26/2022 at 8:32 PM, Hodo said:

530Fs... AM-39 Exocet, and AS-30L.   Along with a real RER a radar that can IFF and a MFD.  Oh and an assortment of laser guided bombs with tpod.

Only the F1EQ and F1 MF2000 ASTRAC had Exocet capability - the F1M doesn't. It has a radar mode applicable to it, but none of the other modifications (like hardpoints or wiring or any actual integration with the rest of the systems). Same I think goes for the AS.30L.

As gnomechild said above, the Spanish use the AGM-84 Harpoon, which they used on their EF-18 Hornets.

15 hours ago, Hodo said:

Weapons:

The most lethal weapon which can be carried by the Mirage F1 is the Aerospatiale AM-39 Exocet anti-ship missile. Two Exocets were launched by Iraqi Mirage F1's at the USS Stark on 5/17/87. Alternatively, up to two AS30L air-to-ground missiles can be carried on under-wing hard-points. 2 Matra Super 530 missiles and 2 Matra Magic or AIM-9L Sidewinder air-to-air missiles can also be carried for self-defense. The Mirage F1 carries 2 DEFA 553 30mm canons, internally, with 150 rounds per gun. 14,000lbs of bombs can be carried in lieu of missiles.

- https://www.airfighters.com/aircraft-data/dassault-mirage-f1m 

Pretty sure the link is talking about Mirage F1s generally, it lists every operator despite the F1M only being operated by Spain (and later the USA as an adversary).

15 hours ago, Hodo said:

Spanish F1CM.

I'm not seeing an Exocet, an AS.30L or a targeting pod (I'm pretty confident that the pod with the red cover over the front is a Thales ASTAC ESM/ELINT pod).

Edited October 2, 2022 by Northstar98

[Midair]

In France only the Jaguar and the Super Etendard used the ATLIS Pod and the AS 30 L. The Exocet was used by the Super Etendard and now the Rafale. The Iraki Mirage F1's were the only Mirage F1's ever wirred to carry the ATLIS Pod, the AS 30 L and the Exocet (on the EQ5/6 only). 

[snocc_]

hace 18 horas, Hodo dijo:

Weapons:

The most lethal weapon which can be carried by the Mirage F1 is the Aerospatiale AM-39 Exocet anti-ship missile. Two Exocets were launched by Iraqi Mirage F1's at the USS Stark on 5/17/87. Alternatively, up to two AS30L air-to-ground missiles can be carried on under-wing hard-points. 2 Matra Super 530 missiles and 2 Matra Magic or AIM-9L Sidewinder air-to-air missiles can also be carried for self-defense. The Mirage F1 carries 2 DEFA 553 30mm canons, internally, with 150 rounds per gun. 14,000lbs of bombs can be carried in lieu of missiles.

your source seems to be unfocused, it doesnt just talk about the F1M, it goes into the iraqi mirages in action and mentions other weapons spanish mirage F1s never had access to like Magics, Super 530Fs (the second hand originally qatari EDAs did have them though) and aim-9Ls

hace 19 horas, Hodo dijo:

 

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Spanish F1CM.

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your first picture only shows weapons we already know about (and is a museum aberration, but that escapes the point of the discussion), and your second picture isn't of a spanish F1M, please try to go a bit deeper in your research

[snocc_]

hace 18 horas, Northstar98 dijo:

Only the F1EQ and F1 MF2000 ASTRAC had Exocet capability - the F1M doesn't. It has a radar mode applicable to it, but none of the other modifications (like hardpoints or wiring or any actual integration with the rest of the systems). Same I think goes for the AS.30L.

 

correct, though im not so sure about it having a radar mode applicable to it, i see some kind of sea search mode being thrown around a lot in online discussion but haven't been able to find any info on it myself

hace 18 horas, Northstar98 dijo:

As gnomechild said above, the Spanish use the AGM-84 Harpoon, which they used on their EF-18 Hornets.

 

would like to add something to this

Spain had plenty of assets for anti-shipping, maritime patrol and ASW in both the airforce and navy by the time the F1M upgrade started being developed, not just the hornet, aircraft like the P-3, the SH-60B and AB-212ASW are the first that come to mind

It doesn't make sense to add this kind of capability to a stopgap upgrade of a plane the airforce wanted to get rid of as soon as possible, especially for weapons the airforce would never even bother to buy

Edited October 2, 2022 by snocc_

[gnomechild]

20 hours ago, Hodo said:

Spanish F1CM.

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This isn't a picture of an F1M lol. You can tell it's an F1CT or CR because it just has one cannon and it's painted in a scheme that was never used by Spain.
And as others have mentioned your article source is talking about a lot of different variants and confusing their abilities. That's a pretty common thing sadly and you have to take most articles with a huge grain of salt unless they're written with firsthand knowledge. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by gnomechild

[Major_Shepard]

Most probably it is a F1-CT (green nose).

[gnomechild]

Yes I think it's a CT as well but I don't know enough about them to be 100% so I left some wiggle room lol

[Dr_Pavelheer]

The way I understand it it's going to be dumb bombs, dumb rockets and laser guided bombs without capability of self designating. On the plus side you finally get CCIP/CCRP

[snocc_]

yeah that's exactly it, the weapons side is mostly the same as in the CE we have and is exactly the same as the EE we'll get, just with better systems for better, more accurate delivery methods

Edited October 2, 2022 by snocc_

[Hodo]

On 10/2/2022 at 9:48 AM, gnomechild said:

This isn't a picture of an F1M lol. You can tell it's an F1CT or CR because it just has one cannon and it's painted in a scheme that was never used by Spain.
And as others have mentioned your article source is talking about a lot of different variants and confusing their abilities. That's a pretty common thing sadly and you have to take most articles with a huge grain of salt unless they're written with firsthand knowledge. 

 

I have had this argument before.  I will throw this out there and leave it at that.

 

The F-16C never employed 4 HARMs or carried 6 mavericks.  The Su-25T never saw mass production and was considered at best a limited production prototype.  The F-14 never flew with 6 AIM-54s.  And the JF-17 has yet to fly with 4 SD-10s.  

 

Yet we have all of those things in game.

[snocc_]

hace 22 horas, Hodo dijo:

The F-16C never employed 4 HARMs or carried 6 mavericks.  The Su-25T never saw mass production and was considered at best a limited production prototype.  The F-14 never flew with 6 AIM-54s.  And the JF-17 has yet to fly with 4 SD-10s.  

 

Yet we have all of those things in game.

and? all the things you've mentioned except for the 4 harms in the fighting falcon are things the jets were capable of doing and the su-25T (unlike exocets, AS-30Ls and tgps on the F1M) was at the very least a thing that existed

how does this matter to the F1M at all, why should a dev add an imaginary capability to their module just because a different dev did

Edited October 4, 2022 by snocc_

[Northstar98]

On 10/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, Hodo said:

The F-16C never employed 4 HARMs or carried 6 mavericks.

The F-16 is completely capable of mounting the LAU-88/A with no modifications completely as is - the only thing unrealistic is the LAU-88/A was out of inventory by the mid 2000s.

As for 4 HARMs, according to Wags some are wired for it, some aren't.

Aircraft payloads should be realistic to the aircraft being created.

On 10/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, Hodo said:

The Su-25T never saw mass production and was considered at best a limited production prototype.

And?

The F1M isn't a prototype, neither is the AM.39 or the AS.30L or whatever TGP the Iraqis had, nor were they tested/cleared/fired/wired on an F1M.

On 10/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, Hodo said:

The F-14 never flew with 6 AIM-54s.

What's this then?

Or this?

Whoops!

And in any case, it was wired for 6, can carry 6 (evidently), the radar was designed to be able to support 6...

On 10/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, Hodo said:

And the JF-17 has yet to fly with 4 SD-10s.  

If it can accomodate the pylon and is wired for it, then there's nothing unrealistic about it.

The F1M has yet to fly with AM.39, AS.30L, the targeting pod (Atlis? Patrick?), at all...

On 10/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, Hodo said:

Yet we have all of those things in game.

And?

As common as "x is unrealistic so y should be too" argument is (even in cases where "x is unrealistic" aren't even true), no-one ever seems to be able to justify it, wonder why...

Edited October 5, 2022 by Northstar98

[Badger1-1]

9 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

The F-16 is completely capable of mounting the LAU-88/A with no modifications completely as is - the only thing unrealistic is the LAU-88/A was out of inventory by the mid 2000s.

As for 4 HARMs, according to Wags some are wired for it, some aren't.

Aircraft payloads should be realistic to the aircraft being created.

And?

The F1M isn't a prototype, neither is the AM.39 or the AS.30L or whatever TGP the Iraqis had, nor were they tested/cleared/fired/wired on an F1M.

What's this then?

Or this?

Whoops!

 

And in any case, it was wired for 6, can carry 6 (evidently), the radar was designed to be able to handle 6...

If it can accomodate the pylon and is wired for it, then there's nothing unrealistic about it.

The F1M has yet to fly with AM.39, AS.30L, the targeting pod, at all...

And?

As common as "x is unrealistic so y should be too" argument is, no-one ever seems to justify it, wonder why...

 

+1

[Stratos]

We really need the EQ-5 or the EQ-6, Exocet, As.30L, the french BGL bombs, asimetric loadouts... I would pay for it gladly.

[Northstar98]

52 minutes ago, Stratos said:

We really need the EQ-5 or the EQ-6, Exocet, As.30L, the french BGL bombs, asimetric loadouts... I would pay for it gladly.

Yeah, not only is it one of the more capable versions - it's also the one that's probably the most historically relevant and the only variant which we arguably have a map for (Syria reaches into Iraq, with a major airbase (or cluster of them, even better - an airbase cluster that the EQ at least visited)). The SoH/PG map could also be easily used for it, as Iran captured Iraqi EQs.

[snocc_]

hace 12 horas, Stratos dijo:

We really need the EQ-5 or the EQ-6, Exocet, As.30L, the french BGL bombs, asimetric loadouts... I would pay for it gladly.

definitely, i recall aerges mentioning they were open to making more variants in the future if the documents for them could be found so maybe, hopefully, some day a late EQ may arrive in DCS 

[Midair]

The F1 M will be like a F1 CT without the laser range finder. Modern HUD, modern INS+GPS, CCIP, CCRP better radar performance but not the best and Air-Sea mode. But like I said before they will not have the ATLIS Pod (if Aerges want to model it like the real one).