So easy to shoot it down with AMRAAM

[skywalker22]

It's abut AI evading skills. today I did 10 tracks, me in F-16 against 2x AI F-14B with ace skills. In 9 times I won with ease. This is an example, and approximation of all 10 tracks.

What do you think?

 

Tacview-20220927-212328-DCS-a2a_syria_f14.zip.acmi f16_vs_f14_2x_bvr4.trk

Edited September 28, 2022 by skywalker22

[Frosty2124]

well done?

[near_blind]

 Poor shot mech on the part of the AI, but the AI gonna AI. Nice kills I guess. 

[lunaticfringe]

Here's two dead Ace AI F-16s in BFM from an F-14A.  

Do I get a cookie? 
 

 

[Quid]

Not sure what OP's getting at?  I splash AI AMRAAM, R-77 and SD-10 shooters on Ace with AIM-54s all the time.  It's not much of a feat.

EDIT:  Unless he's bringing this up as a critique of the AI's ability to employ a missile, which I would assume is ED's side, not HB's, but there's limits to what you can make an AI do (hence why it's so easy to kill either way).

Edited September 27, 2022 by Quid

[scommander2]

1 hour ago, lunaticfringe said:

Do I get a cookie? 
 

 

There, you are

Edited September 28, 2022 by scommander2

[skywalker22]

4 hours ago, Quid said:

Not sure what OP's getting at?  I splash AI AMRAAM, R-77 and SD-10 shooters on Ace with AIM-54s all the time.  It's not much of a feat.

EDIT:  Unless he's bringing this up as a critique of the AI's ability to employ a missile, which I would assume is ED's side, not HB's, but there's limits to what you can make an AI do (hence why it's so easy to kill either way).

 

They do some stupid evasive maneuvers, if you can call it evasive after all, that's where I'm getting at. A simple "poor" long distance shot can easily take down ACE type AI F-14s. This used to be way difficult before this last update.

And this thread is not about Phoenix missile. Only F-14 AI and how they try to avoid incoming missile(s).

[Quid]

41 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

They do some stupid evasive maneuvers, if you can call it evasive after all, that's where I'm getting at. A simple "poor" long distance shot can easily take down ACE type AI F-14s. This used to be way difficult before this last update.

And this thread is not about Phoenix missile. Only F-14 AI and how they try to avoid incoming missile(s).

Ah, I see.  Yes, the AI's defense is incredibly predictable.  When I'm going against AMRAAM or R-77 shooters, I have a prescriptive set of tactics to run myself; 30K+ feet, 1.01-1.2M, fire at 32.5NM (missile releases at between 31 and 32NM), then take an angle-off to 45-50 degrees right/left, hold one potato, two potato, reverse to the opposite, by the time the enemy AI would shoot, they are now full defensive vs. the AIM-54.  If the AIM-54 doesn't take chaff, they eat the Phoenix.  If it does take the chaff, I've already recommitted, fire a follow-up, if they shoot at me I go full cold and they eat the next Phoenix, if they don't, I keep pursuit and they either eat the Phoenix anyway or I follow on with a Sidewinder as they try to recommit.

So, I get your comment and complaint.  I just don't know who controls the missile logic for the AI [EDIT] to make it more challenging.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Quid
Amplification

[skywalker22]

I am not talking about Phoenix missile here, but only of F-14 AI (no matter which level of skills). After update I have 80% success kill rate with AMRAAM missile shot over 30nm at height 20-25k ft. Which is unacceprable in my opinion. It's just waaay too easy to shot down an F-14.

[Quid]

Copy all.  I only included my Phoenix tactics as a point of comparison.  Again, this might require some tweaking from either ED or HB in terms of AI WEZs, I just don't know who.  I'll let those who know better provide amplification from here.

[grant977]

6 hours ago, scommander2 said:

There, you are

 

Here’s your 2nd one. You need 2 cookies on for each viper. We like dead electric jets in these parts.

Edited September 28, 2022 by grant977

[falcon_120]

Here's two dead Ace AI F-16s in BFM from an F-14A.  

Do I get a cookie? 
 
 

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[Lurker]

So what do you think the AI is doing wrong? Are they firing their missiles at you from further range? If not, they should be exploiting the Phoenix reach. However this is not something that is in the purview of Heatblur, and should be reported to the Eagle Dynamics AI bug section forum. 

[draconus]

12 hours ago, lunaticfringe said:

Here's two dead Ace AI F-16s in BFM from an F-14A.  

Do I get a cookie? 

No score for using BDA

@skywalker22 If you think the AI is fighting wrong way, this is the place:

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/423-ai-bugs-non-combined-arms/

[IronMike]

16 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

It's abut AI evading skills. today I did 10 tracks, me in F-16 against 2x AI F-14B with ace skills. In 9 times I won with ease. This is an example, and approximation of all 10 tracks.

What do you think?

 

Tacview-20220927-212328-DCS-a2a_syria_f14.zip.acmi 311.68 kB · 3 downloads f16_vs_f14_2x_bvr4.trk 1.81 MB · 2 downloads

 

Thank you for your report and input, it is much appreciated! However, as some stated above, unfortunately AI tactics are not in our hands.

[skywalker22]

1 hour ago, IronMike said:

Thank you for your report and input, it is much appreciated! However, as some stated above, unfortunately AI tactics are not in our hands.

So I report to ED, as @draconus suggested?

PS: I created a new thread in AI Bugs (Non-Combined Arms) here.

Edited September 28, 2022 by skywalker22

[IronMike]

2 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

So I report to ED, as @draconus suggested?

PS: I created a new thread in AI Bugs (Non-Combined Arms) here.

 

Thank you very much @skywalker22 - that is very helpful! Thank you for all your kind input and the time you take to help us unearth these issues, it is much appreciated!

[skywalker22]

4 minutes ago, IronMike said:

Thank you very much @skywalker22 - that is very helpful! Thank you for all your kind input and the time you take to help us unearth these issues, it is much appreciated!

No worries, it really is my pleasure. I love this game