Any clue on what will be included at release?

[Tomas9970]

On a deeper look, it seems like only guided weapons launched during trailers and showcases were GBU-10 and GBU-12 (Paveway II) so that's what I assume will be included on release.

 

There is a GBU-31 drop at 1:30 in the Pre-Order trailer but the shot switches to an LGB impact so I wouldn't consider that.

[hotrod525]

11 hours ago, Ramsay said:

The 17th Feb pre-order trailer ...

https://youtu.be/jIY8eIDUHZU?t=19

Obviously it doesn't mean they'll be available with the initial Early Access release but they are coming at some point.

 

The AGM-130 was shown in the F-15E Pre-order Trailer at 1:16

https://youtu.be/jIY8eIDUHZU?t=76

I agree there's very little chance the AGM-130 will be in the initial EA release. 

 

 

 

 

Well, the ordnance itself is in the game since.. a while... i cant remember how many months, but it's in the "atleast 5 month" ball-park as i pass throught encyclopedia pretty much every patch.

So "that" plus the fact that ED is weapon master now in DCS, after all AGM130 is basicly a Walleye with more range and a different pod. I'm optimistic let's say that.

Also, those are LJDAM GBU-54... i looked at the trailer in 4K for long minutes, and we can see the black laser-seaker at the tip of the bomb.   

*breath heavily*

hYpE iS rEaL!

Edited February 23, 2023 by hotrod525

[backspace340]

Completely missed that video - it does seem odd that the two trailers from Razbam seem to have been incredibly careful to only include the weapons that they're talking about us having at EA launch, but then the ED videos (2023 and beyond and that trailer) have basically got all the weapons in. Razbam are being really, really clear on their discord not to expect JDAMs or AGM-130s/GBU-15s at launch.

[dedlike.]

i did hear the same thing about the LJDAM, GBU54,  but i didnt see them write about how we shouldnt expect the normal gbu31 and 38s, out of interrest, you think you can find where they wrote that?, kinda dissapointed if true, while i can live without the agm130 gbu15 and such, not having basic jdams is kinda dissapointing 

[llOPPOTATOll]

On 2/24/2023 at 4:07 AM, dedlike. said:

i did hear the same thing about the LJDAM, GBU54,  but i didnt see them write about how we shouldnt expect the normal gbu31 and 38s, out of interrest, you think you can find where they wrote that?, kinda dissapointed if true, while i can live without the agm130 gbu15 and such, not having basic jdams is kinda dissapointing 

Smart weapons requires SMART PACS, which they said wont be there at early access 

[Kev2go]

 

 

 

this is confusing. shouldn't Litening 2 also be available before 2010 CTU? thier own guy on the team Notso  who flew a suite 4+ IRRC retired in 2005 said SE had Litening 2 Pod as a interim solution and so you had squadrons flying with mix of Lantirn and Litening 2 in OIF.  So a circa 2005 suite 4+ jet should have access to Litening 2, with the old UFC., without needing a "special option" . Its not anachronistic at all. 

 

 

Sniper XR pod also didn't take until 2015 to become integrated. it was first integrated with Suite 5 which irrc was starting in 2006, although i can understand the special option given that was a post Suite 4+ feature

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[doedkoett]

I don´t think you should overthink the roadmap. It´s a roadmap showing what Razbam intends to deliver, and in what order. Having the real jet being able to handle something in 2005 doesn't help the coders at Razbam in any way. They still have to put in the job to make it work in the sim.

[Kev2go]

4 minutes ago, doedkoett said:

I don´t think you should overthink the roadmap. It´s a roadmap showing what Razbam intends to deliver, and in what order. Having the real jet being able to handle something in 2005 doesn't help the coders at Razbam in any way. They still have to put in the job to make it work in the sim.

so in what order to expect agm130 or jdams? since that omitted from roadmap? ( also suite 4+ features and not from "later eras" )

Edited March 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[doedkoett]

Alphabetic order?

[Kev2go]

Just now, doedkoett said:

Alphabetic order?

what a comedian 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[doedkoett]

So what do you want me to say then?
Those weapons are clearly coming since they are important parts of the F-15E, but my guess is as good as yours. But if you want to know what I think, I think they will appear sometime after the release in to early access but before the first "CTU" because they are more important for the module and its users than Sniper pods and JHCMS. I have seen no indication when those CTU´s will be delivered in relation to the release in to EA, it could be a few months, or two years away. It doesn't even say that those CTU´s are a part of EA. 

Look, mr Serious, nobody here knows anything. We´re only guessing and hoping.

[Kev2go]

Myself and others were very much anticipating the Litening 2 as being the TGP in question for launch not lantirn. Not only was Razbam hinting at this based on thier prior order items , I mean some of the videos where you see the actual TGP display in function from a MPD be it from notso vids'  or Steve davies ( cockpit video 2)  looked like Litening 2. Not lantirn. ( lantirn is IR only. No TV mode) , and it looks different compared to the documentation i have on F15E lantirn.

So If given up to this point Razbam had not shown off Lantirn pod functionality via internal cockpit MPD , only snippets of Litening 2, logic would of indicated to expect Litening 2 not Lantirn, thus it comes as unexpected and shocking turn to not only say that won't be the case. but to say Litening 2 will be part of a "later era" CTU thats ticked off via special options.

Further clarification is needed.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[doedkoett]

If the Litening II is complete, it seems like a silly thing to do, to hold it back just to push it in to some gimmicky real-world-inspired update scheme. I totally get why that can make people dissatisfied. We haven't even got a release date yet, so everything is very sketchy at this point. If this is indeed the year of the Strike Eagle, it would be nice if we could play with it for most part of the year and not only the week between x-mas and new year... 

[Deano87]

9 hours ago, Kev2go said:

Further clarification is needed.

Not really. It will launch with LANTIRN, then expect a CTU with the newer UFC and LITENING at a later date.
These will most likely be mission editor "Additional Properties" selections, so the CTU is mission enforced so that a mission maker can limit equipment.

What needs to be clarified about that?

Edited March 1, 2023 by Deano87

[Kev2go]

4 hours ago, Deano87 said:

Not really. It will launch with LANTIRN, then expect a CTU with the newer UFC and LITENING at a later date.
These will most likely be mission editor "Additional Properties" selections, so the CTU is mission enforced so that a mission maker can limit equipment.

What needs to be clarified about that?

 

Because  that not detailed enough. And because they decided to do a contradiction.

If lantirn was what it was going to launch with first. That should of been shown off in some way, when all we have seen is litening 2.

With that aside i can accept lantirn being first pod at launch. However litening shouldn't be limited to specific ctu via special tab in options menu when it was available and used with suite 4+ and circa 2003-2005 timeframe, even if its not going to be the first pod present at EA.

 

Only stuff like new ufc,  sniper and jhmcs are from later suites ,deserve to be part of a special tab

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

12 hours ago, doedkoett said:

If the Litening II is complete, it seems like a silly thing to do, to hold it back just to push it in to some gimmicky real-world-inspired update scheme. I totally get why that can make people dissatisfied. We haven't even got a release date yet, so everything is very sketchy at this point. If this is indeed the year of the Strike Eagle, it would be nice if we could play with it for most part of the year and not only the week between x-mas and new year... 

 If something goes on pre order sale it's generally within a few months of release at most.( even less at times)  I don't recall any past module being on pre order for so long customers had to wait nearly an entire year before it being launched after paying for it. 

This will set a record for a first if that turns out to be the case waiting until next Xmas.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[hotrod525]

4 hours ago, Kev2go said:

 If something goes on pre order sale it's generally within a few months of release at most.( even less at times)  I don't recall any past module being on pre order for so long customers had to wait nearly an entire year before it being launched after paying for it. 

This will set a record for a first if that turns out to be the case waiting until next Xmas.

 

My friend, let me introduce you to the AH64D by Eagle Dynamics...

[Kev2go]

2 minutes ago, hotrod525 said:

My friend, let me introduce you to the AH64D by Eagle Dynamics...

pre orders started on 8th of october of 2021. whilst release was delayed it was released in march of 2022. 

5 months isnt almost a year, albeit longer than usual due aforementioned delay, which otherwise would of been Jan of 2022.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Kev2go

[doedkoett]

9 hours ago, Kev2go said:

This will set a record for a first if that turns out to be the case waiting until next Xmas.

Let's hope the usual "two weeks" is a lot sooner than december then! 

[Midair]

Do you know if we will have the figther to fighter datalink in EA?

[llOPPOTATOll]

39 minutes ago, Midair said:

Do you know if we will have the figther to fighter datalink in EA?

It’s very unlikely

[hotrod525]

17 hours ago, Kev2go said:

pre orders started on 8th of october of 2021. whilst release was delayed it was released in march of 2022. 

5 months isnt almost a year, albeit longer than usual due aforementioned delay, which otherwise would of been Jan of 2022.

 

Pre-Order in October was already a push back... Anyway, no it's not a "Year" but Eagle Dynamics and some third party developper are well known to miss their mark. I dont blame them, im not a game programmer etc.

But still, sometime it leave a bad taste. Would it be Apache delay, Hornet (i start playing DCS in 2009, and already then F18 was talked about), Super Carrier, Kiowa, etc. It take alot of time, and i get it, but half-baked answer like "we are missing promo stuff" or "we are sorry to push it back, once again" simply dosent help either.

[draconus]

On 2/20/2023 at 3:35 PM, draconus said:

What about pilot body in F1 view?

This one answers my question and it's a great answer:

 

[Tango3B]

On 3/1/2023 at 9:04 AM, Kev2go said:

Myself and others were very much anticipating the Litening 2 as being the TGP in question for launch not lantirn. Not only was Razbam hinting at this based on thier prior order items , I mean some of the videos where you see the actual TGP display in function from a MPD be it from notso vids'  or Steve davies ( cockpit video 2)  looked like Litening 2. Not lantirn. ( lantirn is IR only. No TV mode) , and it looks different compared to the documentation i have on F15E lantirn.

So If given up to this point Razbam had not shown off Lantirn pod functionality via internal cockpit MPD , only snippets of Litening 2, logic would of indicated to expect Litening 2 not Lantirn, thus it comes as unexpected and shocking turn to not only say that won't be the case. but to say Litening 2 will be part of a "later era" CTU thats ticked off via special options.

Further clarification is needed.

 

Actually, Notso has shown off the LANTIRN pod in operation in the video below. Interaction between APG-70 and the pod is clearly shown at around the 17:20 mark and already seemed to be working quite well in early December.