Next level racing HF8 haptic seat pad & DCS

[MirabelleBenou]

On 4/28/2024 at 4:54 PM, FZG_Immel said:

one thing is for sure. Ive gotten this one and it works but the motors are way weaker than Andre Jet Pad motors. they just dont shake as much. any tricks ?

Which software do you use ? If you use SSA, you'll need to augment the strength of each effect in each profiles.

On mine, I nearly have everything set to 80 to 90. 

[FZG_Immel]

1 hour ago, MirabelleBenou said:

Which software do you use ? If you use SSA, you'll need to augment the strength of each effect in each profiles.

On mine, I nearly have everything set to 80 to 90. 

yes. If I cant find a way to fix my JET pad, thats what I will have to do, i am afraid

 

but image how stronger the motor in the jet pad are, if I were to put them at 80-90 (currently they are in between 20 and 50 for most)

[MirabelleBenou]

On 4/29/2024 at 8:53 PM, FZG_Immel said:

yes. If I cant find a way to fix my JET pad, thats what I will have to do, i am afraid

 

but image how stronger the motor in the jet pad are, if I were to put them at 80-90 (currently they are in between 20 and 50 for most)

It's not only related to the strenght of the motors. SSA was written for Jet Pad. It's only by luck that it works with HF8 and even if it works well, it do not work exactly the same way

[dsc106]

Can anyone offer a more updated direct comparison between the NLR HF8, Andre’s jetseat, and Andre’s jetpad?

I’ve read conflicting things, everything from the HF8 is an upgrade, to its weaker, etc.

I’d be using SSA - in fact I’m using it now with a buttkicker, and so the HF8 or jetpad would be in addition.

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

53 minutes ago, dsc106 said:

Can anyone offer a more updated direct comparison between the NLR HF8, Andre’s jetseat, and Andre’s jetpad?

I’ve read conflicting things, everything from the HF8 is an upgrade, to its weaker, etc.

I’d be using SSA - in fact I’m using it now with a buttkicker, and so the HF8 or jetpad would be in addition.

One massive pro for tge hf8 is how easy to buy is, or return in case you dislike. Your can even buy it via Amazon. 

Both are seat pad, uncomfortable by definition. 

[rapid]

The HF8 has 8 Motors  while Andre's has on 6 motors.

If you use  SSA - which has more features by far you can only use 6 motors and if you use  the HF8 Software you can use  all 8 motors but less features than SSA.

 

 

 

[dsc106]

Is it worth seeking out and paying more for the jetpad?

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

6 hours ago, rapid said:

The HF8 has 8 Motors  while Andre's has on 6 motors.

If you use  SSA - which has more features by far you can only use 6 motors and if you use  the HF8 Software you can use  all 8 motors but less features than SSA.

 

 

 

Not sure about Andre units having just 6 motors, I think all of them are already equipped with 8

[rapid]

Yes just checked Andre now has 8 motors.

Things to look at first is the cost of each unit.

With the HF8 you can use both software.

Andre has been doing this a long time

And aesthetics.

Take your pick.

[Mordants]

I've had the jetseat from Andre and whilst I agree it is stronger in the vibration effects it is I find uncomfortable to sit on for long periods. I also bumped it up with extra padding with little detrimental effect to the vibrations. It has now failed and will not connect. So if anyone wants any spares from it let me know soon.

I now have the HF8 which is a lot weaker in vibration effects but I can sit on it alot longer. With it being weaker (even with maxed out settings, using Andres software) I find it's not overly intrusive and for me the background vibrations are more subtle. 

[dsc106]

10 hours ago, Mordants said:

I've had the jetseat from Andre and whilst I agree it is stronger in the vibration effects it is I find uncomfortable to sit on for long periods. I also bumped it up with extra padding with little detrimental effect to the vibrations. It has now failed and will not connect. So if anyone wants any spares from it let me know soon.

I now have the HF8 which is a lot weaker in vibration effects but I can sit on it alot longer. With it being weaker (even with maxed out settings, using Andres software) I find it's not overly intrusive and for me the background vibrations are more subtle. 

Thank you for sharing. How long did you have Andre's prior to failure, and how many hours estimate? (just a ballpark is fine).

It sounds like the subtler vibration effects still suit immersion just fine for your tastes? I also have a buttkicker I would pair, so maybe the stronger feeling from buttkicker + subtlety from the HF8 wouldn't be so bad?

[Mordants]

14 hours ago, dsc106 said:

Thank you for sharing. How long did you have Andre's prior to failure, and how many hours estimate? (just a ballpark is fine).

It sounds like the subtler vibration effects still suit immersion just fine for your tastes? I also have a buttkicker I would pair, so maybe the stronger feeling from buttkicker + subtlety from the HF8 wouldn't be so bad?

A couple of years and almost daily use, a few hours at a time.

[flak62]

CANT GET IT TO WORK IN DCS

[MADLOU1]

5 hours ago, flak62 said:

CANT GET IT TO WORK IN DCS

Same here.  Contacted Next Level a couple months ago and they claimed a fix was coming.  They later issued  new beta software program and my seat will not work at all with that software.  Crazy!

[MirabelleBenou]

Totally uninstall their software and use SimShaker for Aviator instead.

[schurem]

Is there something I should enable or install into DCS to get their software to work? It seems to want to get a telemetry stream from DCS..

[MirabelleBenou]

2 minutes ago, schurem said:

Is there something I should enable or install into DCS to get their software to work? It seems to want to get a telemetry stream from DCS..

Which one ? SSA or NLR ? By the way, the 2 requires telemetry from DCS. When you install them, they'll add 1 or more lines in export.lua in the script folder (in saved games). You normally have nothing to as it's automatic. BUT, do not have NLR and SSA softwares installed at same time because they'll conflict. You need only 1 of the 2, SSA the better.

[schurem]

I uninstalled SSA.

It only uses 6 of the 8 motors in the HF8 and it crashes when I want to edit effects). Therefore I want to give NLR a go.

[Peedee]

I have never gotten my Nextlevel HF8 to work in any game. I got it early after relase. I have not tried to make it work for a long time though... has the software been updated to something useable? 

[MirabelleBenou]

5 hours ago, schurem said:

I uninstalled SSA.

It only uses 6 of the 8 motors in the HF8 and it crashes when I want to edit effects). Therefore I want to give NLR a go.

When you say you edit the effects, what are you doing ? Changing the power value ? Or anything else. Because you can only do that, change the force value of the effect. If you are doing something else, it's not supported.

NLR software use not so much effects. And I really do not miss the 2 unused motors. With 6, it's already really good.

Edited June 16, 2024 by MirabelleBenou

[seavoyage]

Were you able to resolve the issue? It sounds similar to my post on the SimShaker for Aviators DCS Channel: https://discord.com/channels/679923885595951128/910419903411015680/1261070667353428048 I have tried "Fix DCS Export' and done a DCS Repair.

I found this related thread on the SimShaker for Aviators Discord Channel https://discord.com/channels/679923885595951128/921643357040672788/1078944348982497350 regarding SSA Port 29375 per SimShaker website FAQs https://simshaker-for-aviators.github.io/SimShaker-for-Aviators-Releases/faq.html

 

I followed the instructions to install SSA for DCS. 

Output Mode: USB Forcefeel. 
Seat Handler 1.0.0.10  "ForceFeelState: OK."
Test Vibe Motor Shaker:  all motors works ... vibration si felt 
DCS F/A-18 recognized in DS Debug View. Logs show Export is being sent to DCS Scripts Export.lua .

So the HF8 seat checks out but the DCS telemetry may not be received...

I do not feel any vibrations in game DCS, and a SSA error message comes up.

Ooops ... Something is wrong during calculation
Exception: Index was outside the bounds of the array
Stack.Trace: at
SimShaker.Core.DataProvider.DCSDataProvider.CalculateWindsANDSpeed()
at
SimShaker.Core.DataProvider.DCSDataProvider.UseReceivedSimDataMethod(String receivedUDPMessage)

What did I miss in configuration?

Checking Port conflict https://discord.com/channels/679923885595951128/910419903411015680/1107021363186769980 mentioning Port 29375 may be  assigned to DCS and SSA. 

Local IP 127.0.0.1 

a netstat -ab UDP search: UDP 
DCS.exe on 7080, 63816 and 43001,  (10308 for MP)
SimShaker for Aviators,exe 29375 (DCS), 54930 (XPlane ?) and 62017. 
ibaJetSeatHandler,exe 29376 .

No conflicting UDP Ports?

Edited July 12, 2024 by seavoyage

[Bex]

I had the same problem. The HFS software must not start concurrently with the SimShaker software. Click on Settings > DCS Repair Export. After that, it worked for me again.

[Marcin_B]

Does your soft HFS (HP8) work after the last DCS update?

 

Edited August 13, 2024 by Marcin_B

[petsild]

It will be hard to get an answer when we all use a better SSA.

[Bex]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb Marcin_B:

Does your soft HFS (HP8) work after the last DCS update?

 

 

I do not use the HFS software for DCS. I only use SimShaker. Therefore, I have not tested the functionality of the HFS software."