Problem with AT rockets -- no tone will not fire

[Mr_Blastman]

I am having a problem that is becoming far too frequent and need some help:

My AT rockets won't get tone and Petrovich nor myself can fire.

 

I believe it has something to do with launching on a target but having to turn off target because target fires so I have to dodge round and lose first shot.  Any subsequent attempt at future runs on target and firing are impossible.  I cannot get tone.  What is going on?

 

Tone is impossible.

 

To clarify:

 

1)  Find target, execute attack run, launch first AT-6 that gets tone...

2)  Target fires, have to dodge shells, lose first missile because lock is broken.

3)  Second run, crosshairs on target, in range, no tone(petrovich can still move them and hold on target).  Cannot lock.  Cannot fire.

 

I am flying in pilot seat.  I ordered him to select AT-6.

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Mr_Blastman

[AeriaGloria]

This can sometimes happen if your wings are shot. If so you will see visual bullet holes in the wing. When pylons 1/4 (ATGM 5-8) don’t work that can be confirmed by the pylon loaded lights on the weapons penal. 
 

 

[admiki]

10 hours ago, Mr_Blastman said:

I am having a problem that is becoming far too frequent and need some help:

My AT rockets won't get tone and Petrovich nor myself can fire.

 

I believe it has something to do with launching on a target but having to turn off target because target fires so I have to dodge round and lose first shot.  Any subsequent attempt at future runs on target and firing are impossible.  I cannot get tone.  What is going on?

 

Tone is impossible.

 

To clarify:

 

1)  Find target, execute attack run, launch first AT-6 that gets tone...

2)  Target fires, have to dodge shells, lose first missile because lock is broken.

3)  Second run, crosshairs on target, in range, no tone(petrovich can still move them and hold on target).  Cannot lock.  Cannot fire.

 

I am flying in pilot seat.  I ordered him to select AT-6.

 

 

When you evade, do you bank more than 30 degrees?

What type of target? AFAIK, there are only few that can engage you at your max range and you have plenty of time to evade those rounds. If you re getting engaged by BMP/BTR, you are way too close.

[WinterH]

Your description of evading after a shot, and then this happening makes me think of it most likely being due to sight gyros getting whacked out. You need to make sure the sight doors are closed and hence the gyros are caged before you do any tight turns, or even just bank more than 30 degrees afaik. You can command petrovich to close the sight doors by pressing Petrovich AI: AFT, by default S on keyboard.

Another possibility is having the wing with missiles shot-off by ground fire. Especially if the disabled/damaged missile is the one next on order in station selection. Manually going through the stations from the gunner seat until you find a working station may be something to try in that case.

Also, if you are shot at by AAA from relatively longer distances, I find that it is possible to dodge shots without drastic maneuvers most of the time, which can help you preserve your sight while still guiding the already fired missile. But that's not ideal admittedly, ideally, you should fire from beyond their range, and have the missile impact before your are within range, and turn back safely after shutting the sight doors. Most of us (myself included) often get greedy and fire a second shot, and get inside AAA return fire range, and find ourself in that situation  

[AeriaGloria]

Yes, by turning while guiding a missile with 10-25 degree bank you can evade a lot of shots. The manual recommends don’t turn more then 20 degrees in bank when periscope is on. I have had some issues when banking at 25-30 degrees so I stay at 20-25 max when periscope is on. 
 

If your gyros are screwed up indicators are the floating reticle not being centered when gyros first spin up after opening doors. And when Petro is searching you often can’t scan left and right but only in one direction.

So, it’s completely normal and expected gameplay to have to hit the down short buttton for the Petro menu to close the periscope as soon as possible so you can properly evade by banking more then 25-30 degrees 

The pitch limit is also 25-30 degrees, so watch that 

[Mr_Blastman]

The gyros were fine in both cases, for he was able to move the reticle smoothly and hold on target.  What would not happen is tone.  He said he had missiles selected, he had crosshairs held on target, target was in range but tone would never occur, so we could never launch missiles.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Mr_Blastman

[AeriaGloria]

32 minutes ago, Mr_Blastman said:

The gyros were fine in both cases, for he was able to move the reticle smoothly and hold on target.  What would not happen is tone.  He said he had missiles selected, he had crosshairs held on target, target was in range but tone would never occur, so we could never launch missiles.

 

So had you taken a hit and had your pylons damaged? 

[Mr_Blastman]

1 hour ago, AeriaGloria said:

So had you taken a hit and had your pylons damaged? 

In one situation yes, in another no.  Not a single scratch.

[NeedzWD40]

What was your loadout?

[Mr_Blastman]

54 minutes ago, NeedzWD40 said:

What was your loadout?

8x AT missiles in one, nothing else, and 8x AT + 2x S-8 frag pods in another.

[NeedzWD40]

Can you tell Petrovich to select AT-6 again? Alternatively, if you take one of each type of missile, can you get tone with all of them?

[admiki]

9 hours ago, Mr_Blastman said:

The gyros were fine in both cases, for he was able to move the reticle smoothly and hold on target.  What would not happen is tone.  He said he had missiles selected, he had crosshairs held on target, target was in range but tone would never occur, so we could never launch missiles.

 

Just because Petrovich can move gyros does not mean they are not broken.

If you could record a video or short track file, that would be the best.

[lefuneste01]

I had this case in the past when I was not putting the sight on the target to be aligned with the designation system (bad habit taken from usage of US systems), but I imagine you aligned all things well when you have your issue.

[admiki]

1 hour ago, lefuneste01 said:

I had this case in the past when I was not putting the sight on the target to be aligned with the designation system (bad habit taken from usage of US systems), but I imagine you aligned all things well when you have your issue.

There was a bug when Hind was released, where you didn't have to line up before being able to shoot, but that was fixed quickly.

[Deimos]

I had this too. These moments were rare but i remember my Hind was fine and had a view missiles left. Petro hat the crosshair on target but........ nothing.

From time to time petrovic also seems to take a looooong time to select the next missile.

[fargo007]

You can also go into the front seat and check things out for yourself.

[AeriaGloria]

If your gyros are broken, your Raduga system must be off for 3.5 minutes to fully settle gyros. It will then need to be turned on again and wait another 3.5 minutes