LOMAC v1.1 copy protection – good news/bad news

[Nomad]

Its funny how everyone suddenly becomes paranoid about their PC security bla bla etc when they find out that omg! "mah caputer is getin spaiwarre". Well, if you are paranoid, you should have firewall, antivirus updating every 5 minutes, use all these tools to scan for malware/spyware every 2 hours, anonymous IP's, all windoz patches bla bla etc... and then you wont have any problem with SF either, right?

The funny part though, is that this has happened before with lots of different software (say, steam for example) and a lot of people who suddenly became so passionate about their security and "would never buy a malware-infected product" didnt even have antivirus/firewall running...

 

And finally... if you are so rich that you have money to upgrade your PC with newest hardware every 2 weeks (and again, thats major upgrade, like mobo or CPU), then why is buying or mailing ED to get new code such a huge deal??

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Well, I am buying 1.1, with what ever protection they offer at the moment. No I am not heappy with only three activations. Yes I do understand that software devolepers are loosing billions of dollars to pirates! Yes, ED is very small developer and every dollar counts, no question about that.

 

Yes, I love this game and three or four years down the road I will buy another copy (or activation key) if that is what will take to continue playing this game.

[DayGlow]

I don't really understand the hystaria behind registy entries left after uninstall. Pretty much every piece of software leaves something behind, so you have to clean it once and awhile. Most 30 day trials of software leave something behind so you can't just uninstall it and reinstall it afterwards.

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Edited January 22, 2011 by DayGlow

[Guest ruggbutt]

I don't really understand the hystaria behind registy entries left after uninstall. Pretty much every piece of software leaves something behind, so you have to clean it once and awhile. Most 30 day trials of software leave something behind so you can't just uninstall it and reinstall it afterwards.

 

Registry entries of games and programs that we agreed to install. Not copy protection registry entries from a demo. Installation of anything else is deceptive at the very least. Or Spyware, or a trojan, or a virus.

[Bug11]

I don't really understand the hystaria behind registy entries left after uninstall. Pretty much every piece of software leaves something behind, so you have to clean it once and awhile. Most 30 day trials of software leave something behind so you can't just uninstall it and reinstall it afterwards.

 

Registry entries of games and programs that we agreed to install. Not copy protection registry entries from a demo. Installation of anything else is deceptive at the very least. Or Spyware, or a trojan, or a virus.

 

or a piece of software that is a security risk to your computer.

[169th_Moose]

I don't really understand the hystaria behind registy entries left after uninstall. Pretty much every piece of software leaves something behind, so you have to clean it once and awhile. Most 30 day trials of software leave something behind so you can't just uninstall it and reinstall it afterwards.

 

Registry entries of games and programs that we agreed to install. Not copy protection registry entries from a demo. Installation of anything else is deceptive at the very least. Or Spyware, or a trojan, or a virus.

 

or a piece of software that is a security risk to your computer.

 

Man im sorry, I dont want to be flamed for this but I have to say something. Your ignorance is your down fall. You really think a hacker attempting to enter your computer will do it trough a security sofware? If im not mistaken your an online gammer? So you already have ports open for ya games in your firewall. The hacker will probe these ports. Its the best way in. Besides of sending you a trojan via your emails.

 

Stop this Paranoiac behaviour LOL. Man you guys make me laugh sometimes. Enough sayd on this issue on my end. Bring on Flaming Cliff so we can have fun in the lomac sky's...

 

Cheers

[Guest ruggbutt]

Moose, they've shown that a version of Starcrap does open back doors in the OS.

 

Whether or not the ones that are installed on our rig are vulnerable we'll have to find out about. Either way there's no mention of it in the EULA and I definitely wouldn't have installed any kind of copy protection w/a free demo, had I been given my choice.

 

I think that is the reason that most of us are pissed off. The vulnerability is an issue but supposedly that's fixed. Doesn't change the fact that we were not privy to the info to start with.

[169th_Moose]

Moose, they've shown that a version of Starcrap does open back doors in the OS.

 

Whether or not the ones that are installed on our rig are vulnerable we'll have to find out about. Either way there's no mention of it in the EULA and I definitely wouldn't have installed any kind of copy protection w/a free demo, had I been given my choice.

 

I think that is the reason that most of us are pissed off. The vulnerability is an issue but supposedly that's fixed. Doesn't change the fact that we were not privy to the info to start with.

 

What port are open, that you’re referring about that are open without my consent? I’ve just scanned it. Did not find anything. Unless you know something I don’t?

[169th_Moose]

Here some knowledge for some that dont know how to scan your pc for flaws.

 

Syntax

netstat [-a] [-e] [-n] [-o] [-p Protocol] [-r] [-s] [interval]

 

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Parameters

-a : Displays all active TCP connections and the TCP and UDP ports on which the computer is listening.

 

-e : Displays Ethernet statistics, such as the number of bytes and packets sent and received. This parameter can be combined with -s.

 

-n : Displays active TCP connections, however, addresses and port numbers are expressed numerically and no attempt is made to determine names.

 

-o : Displays active TCP connections and includes the process ID (PID) for each connection. You can find the application based on the PID on the Processes tab in Windows Task Manager. This parameter can be combined with -a, -n, and -p.

 

the -o syntax is verry good to identify sofware on your pc that has established a connection.

 

 

-p Protocol : Shows connections for the protocol specified by Protocol. In this case, the Protocol can be tcp, udp, tcpv6, or udpv6. If this parameter is used with -s to display statistics by protocol, Protocol can be tcp, udp, icmp, ip, tcpv6, udpv6, icmpv6, or ipv6.

 

-s : Displays statistics by protocol. By default, statistics are shown for the TCP, UDP, ICMP, and IP protocols. If the IPv6 protocol for Windows XP is installed, statistics are shown for the TCP over IPv6, UDP over IPv6, ICMPv6, and IPv6 protocols. The -p parameter can be used to specify a set of protocols.

 

-r : Displays the contents of the IP routing table. This is equivalent to the route print command.

 

Interval : Redisplays the selected information every Interval seconds. Press CTRL+C to stop the redisplay. If this parameter is omitted, netstat prints the selected information only once.

 

/? : Displays help at the command prompt.

 

 

If you think Star force is harmful and vulnerable then prove it. Registry key wont do. Show me proof of malicious behavior, then we can investigate it further. I never rely on rumors. Point in and example, HL. They also have been threaten as a security flaw. Also point in mind, if you remove it. You still have traces in your registry. Never found any foundation on rumors. Bring proof then We will listen. This community I think is tech incline so I thought. So rumors keep them for yourself unless you’re able to back your facts up.

 

Keep in mind I never keep a blind eye. My computer and internet security is always at risk and always investigate issues similar to this. But without facts....

 

Its a waist of our time. Again I’m sure that ED did make his homework on this issue. So I’m satisfied with this for know.

 

Cheers,

Hooked on LockOn.

[Quirkitized]

Well, they just lost 2 sales. Shit like this makes you want to get an illegal verison.

 

3 Activations? Why not just close your buisness doors right now.

[169th_Moose]

Well, they just lost 2 sales. Shit like this makes you want to get an illegal verison.

 

3 Re-installs? Why not just close your buisness doors right now.

 

They lost 2 pirates, lol :wink: Thats good enough for me. Man guys your loosing the picture of why this is being done.

 

Support ED. Its all going to be worth while in the long run.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Cheers

[britgliderpilot]

Well, they just lost 2 sales. Shit like this makes you want to get an illegal verison.

 

3 Re-installs? Why not just close your buisness doors right now.

 

Dammit, rumours . . . . .

 

 

3 re-installs on one key. Who says ED won't give you another when you prove you purchased the game . . . . . which, by the way, they'll be able to check from their site records?

 

Right now, the EXACT details are unproved. You're getting carried away.

[Guest ruggbutt]

Yep, let's hear what ED has to say. And if I end up playing the game I'll be buying the game.

[GGTharos]

Well, they just lost 2 sales. Shit like this makes you want to get an illegal verison.

 

3 Re-installs? Why not just close your buisness doors right now.

 

They lost 2 pirates, lol :wink: Thats good enough for me. Man guys your loosing the picture of why this is being done.

 

Support ED. Its all going to be worth while in the long run.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Cheers

 

Don't say stupid stuff like that. It's as dumb as the comemnt you're replying to :P

 

The point here is, 1.2 is coming out after 1.1. I would imagine most peopel will get 1.2, and won't really have use for 1.1 - IF it turns out that there's some negative feedback with SF, they will likely use something else for 1.2, and at the same time make SURE we can play it for a good while since they've got the other project to work on which will take time.

 

I doubt anyone will use up their 3 activations (NOT INSTALLS - ACTIVATIONS. YOU CAN REINSTALL TILL YOU'RE BLUE IN THE FACE) before 1.2 comes out.

 

Those who do, get a better hobby or stop installing it on multiple computers. The ONLY people whom I could imagine this affects more is server owners - these guys do ED a /favor/ and ED should take care to make sure they're feeling less screwed than everyone else.

 

Secondly, ED released a no-cd version of the 1.02 patch after sales slumped a good deal. I'm sure that 1.1 might see a similar release.

 

Give these guys some credit. Sheesh.

[bflagg]

I don't really understand the hystaria behind registy entries left after uninstall. Pretty much every piece of software leaves something behind, so you have to clean it once and awhile. Most 30 day trials of software leave something behind so you can't just uninstall it and reinstall it afterwards.

 

I totally agree. This is why I Image my windows drive, so restore is a breeze and activation was done before the image was created.

[oxking]

Copy Protection is useless!

It only cost money, and punnish the custumer

for buying a Game and spend money to the developer,

cause he had trouble with the protection.

But it recompense the one who downloadet the game illegal,

cause he has no problems because of a cracked version or so.

 

That is stupid, and the totally wrong way!

legal customers must be recompense with eg. a printed Manual or so,

and not be punished with a copyprotection.

Otherwise they simply will not buy the product!

 

I dont buy copy protectet CD`s. I Only did once, and than no more.

When they have an protection, i download me the CD illegal as mp3,

because so i dont have any trouble, can use it in my mp3 Car Hifi System etc.

 

And i have buyed LockOn, first when the 1.02 patch was out,

because it had deactivate the copyprotection.

 

Maybe i dont buy games anymore, cause they make only trouble

with the copyprotection, and on the other hand, they dont have

printed Manuals, nice big boxes and so, as they dit earlyer,

where no copyprotection was on cd`s.

 

Please ED, dont punish the customers! Reward them!

 

Sorry for my bad english speaking! ^^

[169th_Moose]

Well, they just lost 2 sales. Shit like this makes you want to get an illegal verison.

 

3 Re-installs? Why not just close your buisness doors right now.

 

They lost 2 pirates, lol :wink: Thats good enough for me. Man guys your loosing the picture of why this is being done.

 

Support ED. Its all going to be worth while in the long run.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Cheers

 

Don't say stupid stuff like that. It's as dumb as the comemnt you're replying to :P

 

The point here is, 1.2 is coming out after 1.1. I would imagine most peopel will get 1.2, and won't really have use for 1.1 - IF it turns out that there's some negative feedback with SF, they will likely use something else for 1.2, and at the same time make SURE we can play it for a good while since they've got the other project to work on which will take time.

 

I doubt anyone will use up their 3 activations (NOT INSTALLS - ACTIVATIONS. YOU CAN REINSTALL TILL YOU'RE BLUE IN THE FACE) before 1.2 comes out.

 

Those who do, get a better hobby or stop installing it on multiple computers. The ONLY people whom I could imagine this affects more is server owners - these guys do ED a /favor/ and ED should take care to make sure they're feeling less screwed than everyone else.

 

Secondly, ED released a no-cd version of the 1.02 patch after sales slumped a good deal. I'm sure that 1.1 might see a similar release.

 

Give these guys some credit. Sheesh.

 

My Bad GGTharos. True we need something as for dedicated servers.

Expressed myself to quickly. S! I was in the heat of the action :lol: They should revised their toughts of bringing out a dedicated version for host for lockOn. Without the support of the hosts. Online community will never be. Dedicated server option is in a sence a real need for multiplayer fonctionnality.

 

Cheers

[Bungle_uk]

OK, I am little confused, can i completley reformat my hard drive and use the same activation key or will I have to use one of my 3 activations?

If I do have to use one of my 3 activations then perhaps it could be an idea to go the path of another sim developer that chose this path (Live for speed) and replenish the no. of activations every three months or so i.e. you get one extra activation every three months up to a max of three.

just a thought

[GGTharos]

No, you have to use an activation if you upgrade your computer hardware, ie. processor/motherboard and probably the hard drive. There's prolly more detaills on the manufacturer's website, but its' not '3 installs' for sure. You can refort the drive all you want, you can reinstall without using up an activation.

[britgliderpilot]

OK, I am little confused, can i completley reformat my hard drive and use the same activation key or will I have to use one of my 3 activations?

If I do have to use one of my 3 activations then perhaps it could be an idea to go the path of another sim developer that chose this path (Live for speed) and replenish the no. of activations every three months or so i.e. you get one extra activation every three months up to a max of three.

just a thought

 

Crosspost - my answer from Ubi:

 

As I understand it (no official word just yet, but I think I've got it), each key can be used three times. A new system will require that you revalidate using your key.

 

 

HOWEVER . . . . that doesn't limit you to just three revalidations if ED allow you to get a new key if you can prove you purchased the game. See LockOn.ru user directories, and it's plenty workable.

 

 

For a final answer, we'll have to wait for an official answer from ED . . . . but the information we have so far doesn't necessarily imply such doom and destruction as lots of people are assuming.

[Quirkitized]

Well, ok. I may have jumped the gun with the comment. I just cant believe there using shitforce.

 

Although I said I woudlnt be buying it, I will most likly still be buying it, want to help further development.

[169th_Moose]

I really do wish that Eagle Dynamics responds to this thread. I would clarify much of what has to be, in the open, for all of us, users....

[britgliderpilot]

I really do wish that Eagle Dynamics responds to this thread. I would clarify much of what has to be, in the open for all of us users.

 

So do I . . . . . I've had enough crusading against hysteria and assumptions for one night :wink:

[169th_Moose]

I really do wish that Eagle Dynamics responds to this thread. I would clarify much of what has to be, in the open for all of us users.

 

So do I . . . . . I've had enough crusading against hysteria and assumptions for one night :wink:

 

LOL same here Britglidepilot 8)

[VapoR]

I really do wish that Eagle Dynamics responds to this thread. I would clarify much of what has to be, in the open, for all of us, users....

 

What time is it in Moscow right now? Are they in bed?