Pilot cockpit pictures/overview ?

[Bedouin]

Hi was wondering if anyone have seen or found pictures giving an overview over the pilots cockpit in the F-15E...

Would be nice to could start planing how to setup my VirPils Panels, SteamDeck SL and other at my humble homecockpit

Are there any differences between the DCS version and the real life version, some panels there are deliberate left out, if they ain't in game..?

Thanks in advance

[Nahen]

But are you serious?

[Despayre]

2 hours ago, Nahen said:

But are you serious?

lol, I think what Nahen is trying to say is... That plane is still flying today, which means, for obvious security reasons, there is ZERO chance our F-15E is going to be accurate beyond a collection of must-haves and best guesses and observable phenomena.  Unless you're supposed to have them, it's tough to even take a picture of the inside of the cockpit, let alone get any kind of specs on what you saw. Yes, you may be able to get a pic of some big MFD's and a general layout, but what those screens can do, or the buttons that appear on them, I don't think there's much chance that's going to be all that accurate.

 

... but that's just my opinion, and since this is the internet, if I'm wrong, someone will be along shortly to tell me so, and again, being the internet, I'm sure it will be in the most polite way possible.

[AhSoul]

I'd assume it's reasonably accurate, within the bounds of security clearance etc. There are plenty of photos of the cockpit online, and they're working with people that have flown it aren't they?

[doedkoett]

The DCS version will probably look close to 100% like the real thing, as it looked at a certain point in time. There are scans of cockpit schematics available online (like here: https://www.f15sim.com/misc.html), as well as a plethora of photos. Some systems (like nuclear consent-switches, crypto key switches) will probably have no function, others will, like lights (cockpit/external), volume control, starter switches etc. Functions like terrain following radar will be added during EA, so they won´t work at launch.
Regarding interaction, apart from HOTAS, main interaction with the aircraft appears to be like on the Hornet, through the use of the MFD's and the UFC, so that's probably what you will want to map to your physical controls.

[Bedouin]

51 minutes ago, doedkoett said:

The DCS version will probably look close to 100% like the real thing, as it looked at a certain point in time. There are scans of cockpit schematics available online (like here: https://www.f15sim.com/misc.html), as well as a plethora of photos. Some systems (like nuclear consent-switches, crypto key switches) will probably have no function, others will, like lights (cockpit/external), volume control, starter switches etc. Functions like terrain following radar will be added during EA, so they won´t work at launch.
Regarding interaction, apart from HOTAS, main interaction with the aircraft appears to be like on the Hornet, through the use of the MFD's and the UFC, so that's probably what you will want to map to your physical controls.

Just what i needed

[Nodak]

If you've ever served in any military than you know in reality there is no such thing as a secret, there are however arrests and punishments for revealing information your not suppose to posses or deliberately gaining knowledge of things your not suppose to have access too.  

[Nahen]

On 3/23/2023 at 8:13 PM, Despayre said:

lol, I think what Nahen is trying to say is... That plane is still flying today, which means, for obvious security reasons, there is ZERO chance our F-15E is going to be accurate beyond a collection of must-haves and best guesses and observable phenomena.  Unless you're supposed to have them, it's tough to even take a picture of the inside of the cockpit, let alone get any kind of specs on what you saw. Yes, you may be able to get a pic of some big MFD's and a general layout, but what those screens can do, or the buttons that appear on them, I don't think there's much chance that's going to be all that accurate.

 

... but that's just my opinion, and since this is the internet, if I'm wrong, someone will be along shortly to tell me so, and again, being the internet, I'm sure it will be in the most polite way possible.

What I meant was that you will find "millions" of photos of the cockpit front "board" and side panels of the F-15E on the web. Just search. My surprise was related to the question about "photos of the F-15E pilot's cockpit panels" - as I wrote above - there are plenty of them, you only need to be willing to find them, not to mention the documentation - the real one - of the "flight manual" type for F-15 pilots where there are sketches panels, control sticks, throttles with described functions of individual buttons, switches, etc.

It's enough - instead of going for the easy way and asking right away, spend a dozen or so minutes in a google or other browser.

I understand that I am about to be eaten by those willing to help everyone and in everything, be called me the worst ... but unfortunately I see how for some 40 years society has been "mentally declining" despite the fact that it has 100x more tools to find information than 40 years ago ... In the past, you had to go to the library, buy a book, go to the airport and try to talk to the pilots, the ground staff. Not to mention the situation of people living "behind the Iron Curtain" - try to imagine collecting information about such an F-15A/C in the 1980s, people living - like me - in Poland or another country of the former Warsaw Pact ... A trip to West Germany, England ... it was almost a trip to the moon ... But it was possible.

Today, a moment in Google is enough ... and people come to the forum with the simplest questions - why bother and search if someone tells me ... The question is who makes a bigger fool out of whom?

 

And Bedouin, don't take it personally - it's just a loose remark to take into consideration, ot not. Maybe worth a moment of reflection... maybe not...

[LorenLuke]

Alternatively, maybe he asks here because he trusts people to know what he's talking about and answer accordingly, instead of just googling and finding either the same four images repeated everywhere for a niche hobby, or possibly providing him wrong information that he may not trust himself or his knowledge enough to know it's wrong. 

Those are certainly reasons why I ask people instead of, or in addition to, just going to google like it's a magical library (mind, even if it is, it still has no human librarian to clarify any questions you have).

[Scott-S6]

14 hours ago, Nahen said:

What I meant was that you will find "millions" of photos of the cockpit front "board" and side panels of the F-15E on the web. Just search. My surprise was related to the question about "photos of the F-15E pilot's cockpit panels" - as I wrote above - there are plenty of them, you only need to be willing to find them, not to mention the documentation - the real one - of the "flight manual" type for F-15 pilots where there are sketches panels, control sticks, throttles with described functions of individual buttons, switches, etc.

Are you saying this classified information is just out there? That the US gov isn't taking it all down, prosecuting everyone that takes a photo of the cockpit, blacking out the canopy when they display the aircraft at airshows and so on? After all, the aircraft is still flying so every detail must still be classified.

Edited March 26, 2023 by Scott-S6

[Nahen]

39 minutes ago, Scott-S6 said:

Are you saying this classified information is just out there? That the US gov isn't taking it all down, prosecuting everyone that takes a photo of the cockpit, blacking out the canopy when they display the aircraft at airshows and so on? After all, the aircraft is still flying so every detail must still be classified.

 

Do you know what is the difference between the approach to the principle of public information in the US and democratic countries and, for example, Russia? In this, among other things no one is prosecuting anyone for sharing information that is classified as non-classified or has been declassified. Information about planes and their versions from 30-40-50 years ago is no secret in the West. If something is still considered crucial for security or is still an advanced technology that is unavailable to others - potential adversaries - then these elements are excluded from disclosure. That's why no one covers the cockpits of older fighters that have not been modified to the latest standards at the shows - and those that were have certain elements covered. In addition, very often modifications include software that is operated from the level of MFD and you can't see these without turning on the power systems, etc. So you can't do anything, for example, by taking a photo of the latest versions of the F-15E without turning on the power supply and suspecting the individual functions displayed on the monitors and HUD .

And returning to the chasing for something - as I wrote - what I mentioned are generally available materials and no one is prosecuting anyone for them. As like as the Haynes company publishes detailed "manuals" of building fighters, helicopters, cars, etc. Anyone chasing them? I don't think so.

[Scott-S6]

13 minutes ago, Nahen said:

Do you know what is the difference between the approach to the principle of public information in the US and democratic countries and, for example, Russia? In this, among other things no one is prosecuting anyone for sharing information that is classified as non-classified or has been declassified. Information about planes and their versions from 30-40-50 years ago is no secret in the West. If something is still considered crucial for security or is still an advanced technology that is unavailable to others - potential adversaries - then these elements are excluded from disclosure. That's why no one covers the cockpits of older fighters that have not been modified to the latest standards at the shows - and those that were have certain elements covered. In addition, very often modifications include software that is operated from the level of MFD and you can't see these without turning on the power systems, etc. So you can't do anything, for example, by taking a photo of the latest versions of the F-15E without turning on the power supply and suspecting the individual functions displayed on the monitors and HUD .

And returning to the chasing for something - as I wrote - what I mentioned are generally available materials and no one is prosecuting anyone for them. As like as the Haynes company publishes detailed "manuals" of building fighters, helicopters, cars, etc. Anyone chasing them? I don't think so.

Your sarcasm meter may be overdue for inspection and calibration.

Edited March 26, 2023 by Scott-S6

[Nahen]

1 hour ago, Scott-S6 said:

Your sarcasm meter may be overdue for inspection and calibration.

 

Maybe your writing needs to be calibrated in a way that reflects your intentions? 

9 hours ago, LorenLuke said:

Alternatively, maybe he asks here because he trusts people to know what he's talking about and answer accordingly, instead of just googling and finding either the same four images repeated everywhere for a niche hobby, or possibly providing him wrong information that he may not trust himself or his knowledge enough to know it's wrong. 

Those are certainly reasons why I ask people instead of, or in addition to, just going to google like it's a magical library (mind, even if it is, it still has no human librarian to clarify any questions you have).

He may have trouble calibrating sarcasm here, which will translate into misinterpretation of the answers given here. When he finds source materials, he is unlikely to find sarcasm in them.

[JB3DG]

Having worked on USAF and USN VR simulators, there are various levels of security. Most things like a -1 and really old -34-1-1s (non nuclear weapons delivery TO) are either considered totally unclassified and so long as they aren't the latest and greatest, will be ignored if they show up on the internet. Next up is controlled unclassified (CUI, used to be FUOU ie For Official Use Only) which may get some questions asked if appearing somewhere outside of a contracted agreement with a company, but you don't need much in the line of official security clearance, at least on the individual level (the contracted business does have to be vetted and approved though). Then there are the more secret manuals, like the -34-1-1-1 which involve very sensitive information on electronic warfare and countermeasures, missile performance envelopes, some level of data links and communication security protocols, RWR limitations etc. Those are the ones under lock and key. But also mostly unnecessary for delivering a good quality experience for an entertainment based simulator and even for most training purposes.