Air to Ground Gun Pipper Missing

[bonesvf103]

I was going for a gun run and I was in A/G mode, master arm on, and when I thumbed the switch to guns, the HUD went from saying ORD to "G" but there was no pipper.

Did I miss something or is this a bug?

v6,

boNes

[Zabuzard]

Works on my end. Can you reproduce the issue? Do you perhaps have a picture, video or track available?

Was your Air Source Selector switch set to BOTH ENG? (this is normally part of the startup sequence). The gun requires bleed air pressure. Otherwise, procedure-wise you should be fine with A/G, Master Arm and Gun selected on the stick.

This is how the pipper should look like, in case you are maybe just misinterpreting the symbology:

Where you able to actually fire the gun by pressing the trigger? Note that if you did not select the gun on the stick, you would not see a pipper.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Zabuzard

[bonesvf103]

Pretty sure air source was set to both.  I was able to fire the gun after all, just there was no pipper.

See video here, scroll to 21:35:  you will see I have selected A/G, turned master armo on, ORD is in the HUD uncrossed, gun selected, G in the HUD--but no pipper.  I was able to shoot and hit my target by best guessing it and the ADL cross, but had no pipper or ranging.  Another go at 26:00, another at 27:50,  Oddly enough I was even able to fire the gun with "ORD" in the HUD at one point.

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by bonesvf103

[Scotch75]

You may have still been in a missile A-A mode when you switched to A-G mode. IIRC, if any missiles were selected, then you changed to A-G mode, the bomb ASL would not show up. It could be a similar issue.
Cheers!


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[9thHunt]

6 hours ago, bonesvf103 said:

Pretty sure air source was set to both.  I was able to fire the gun after all, just there was no pipper.

See video here, scroll to 21:35:  you will see I have selected A/G, turned master armo on, ORD is in the HUD uncrossed, gun selected, G in the HUD--but no pipper.  I was able to shoot and hit my target by best guessing it and the ADL cross, but had no pipper or ranging.  Another go at 26:00, another at 27:50,  Oddly enough I was even able to fire the gun with "ORD" in the HUD at one point.

 

 

judging by the fact that your HSD is non-functional, I'd guess that something on the jet is bent, probably your INS or your radar.  Did you take damage or overstress the jet before the strafing run?

Edited April 19, 2023 by 9thHunt

[Zabuzard]

7 hours ago, bonesvf103 said:

Oddly enough I was even able to fire the gun with "ORD" in the HUD at one point.

Yeah, thats normal. You can shoot the gun also with the weapon selector on OFF, just without symbology in the HUD.

[razo+r]

1 hour ago, 9thHunt said:

judging by the fact that your HSD is non-functional, I'd guess that something on the jet is bent, probably your INS or your radar.  Did you take damage or overstress the jet before the strafing run?

 

You can see his G-meter spiked at 10G, so he possibly pulled more than 10G at some point. He likely overstressed his airframe.

[draconus]

4 hours ago, razo+r said:

You can see his G-meter spiked at 10G, so he possibly pulled more than 10G at some point. He likely overstressed his airframe.

Yes he did, at 6:46, breaking INS - thus gun point calculations in the process.

[bonesvf103]

10 hours ago, Scotch75 said:

You may have still been in a missile A-A mode when you switched to A-G mode. IIRC, if any missiles were selected, then you changed to A-G mode, the bomb ASL would not show up. It could be a similar issue.
Cheers!


Sent from my SM-G998B using Tapatalk
 

I'll have to try this out, thanks.

 

7 hours ago, 9thHunt said:

judging by the fact that your HSD is non-functional, I'd guess that something on the jet is bent, probably your INS or your radar.  Did you take damage or overstress the jet before the strafing run?

 

Can you tell me where in the video you noticed my HSD not working?  I don;t recall it not working and when I am RTB I see that my HSD was working fine.

 

1 hour ago, draconus said:

Yes he did, at 6:46, breaking INS - thus gun point calculations in the process.

Oh, wow, the proof is in the pudding.  I do see the airframe shuddering and the g meter spiking at 10g.  I'm surprised we didn't black out, not even a little bit, that's why I never noticed that.

So yeah I probably screwed up some system that would show the gun pipper.

Thanks!

v6,

boNes

Edited April 19, 2023 by bonesvf103

[bonesvf103]

Well, back to square one.   I flew a mission and again no pipper.  I checked everything including the G meter which was only pegged at +2 and -1 G.

I'll try again and post video.

v6,

boNes

[Callsign JoNay]

6 hours ago, bonesvf103 said:

Well, back to square one.   I flew a mission and again no pipper.  I checked everything including the G meter which was only pegged at +2 and -1 G.

I'll try again and post video.

v6,

boNes

Were you in manual delivery mode? You have to be in CMPTR PLT or TGT, I believe.

[DSplayer]

On 4/19/2023 at 5:17 AM, draconus said:

Yes he did, at 6:46, breaking INS - thus gun point calculations in the process.

I don't think he broke his INS since his HSD prior to and after switching to A/G was still showing the current NAV mode being INS and not AHRS.

Edited April 21, 2023 by DSplayer

[bonesvf103]

I just flew a mission to test out the pipper.  It appears that the reason why it was gone again was because my nose was not pointed toward the ground.  Once I did, the pipper showed up fine.  But for the mission in the video above, if it's not the INS then I don't know what it was...it was gone even when pointing at the ground.

v6,

boNes

[DSplayer]

I was able to test out for myself in DCS to see what happens and I have legit zero clue why your A/G gun pipper never showed up. I tried changing the Attack Modes, breaking INS, etc. but wasn't able to recreate what you had. I think it might be some obscure MT bug.

[draconus]

I did my tests then and was able to reproduce the behavior - after high G pulls gun pipper was gone.