Normandy 2 a bit flat around Paris

[Swson]

As I’m living in Paris I found the terrain around the city very flat. Particularly, the elevation of the Trocadéro palace and sacré cœur is badly rendered and almost the mont Valérien which is the highest point of the Paris area with the fort build at the top as well as Bois de Meudon and Domaine de Saint Cloud where were installed many air defense flak canon are not at all geographically pertinent even if of course I didn’t observe the landscape in 1944, the elevation did not change. Also I find the design of all the factories with the same kind of chimneys very recurrent.

So globally speaking I’m a bit deceived. Another point is that it would have been really interesting fusionning this map with the Channel map. I Hope this could be done in a near future to get only one map for this area and time.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Second point, read the zillion other threads about that telling Channel and Normandy maps are made by two different companies with different technology hence no way to join them.

First point, to be fair whenever you are on the ground terrain heights do look huge and very noticeable. BUT, whenever you go pass with your aeroplane thinking I'll see and identify this or that very well known spot so clearly because I know it by heart, I live there, I've walked, ran, biked, whatever all the place and I know the thing pretty well… yeah, from the air those huge things look tiny, even flying in a little GA not specially fast, still those things are just tiny no matter how slow and low you get with your aeroplane. It all is so tiny. And that example I mean in real life, I can tell by own experience since my home used to be in a well noticeable hill, it's even named like that, then again when I first saw it from the plane when I got my license I flipped out, the huge hill (and it is, I've walked bottom to top many times) is just a smallish barely noticeable bump on the ground. I believe they call it perspective, and yes, it happens.

[Swson]

I don’t agree, make the same trip over Paris inside MSFS map and let say flying at 110kts 400ft in a Cessna and fly at same height in DCS and you will see the differences. Elevation of Mt Valerien has not changed between 44 and now. Also you can take a Huey or an AH 64 and fly NOE or even land and observe the height from ground and you will see it is globally not well respected. I wander even if there is not a bug because the Altitude auto pilot of the A10 looks not effective in this map.

Second point : I don’t agree at all about your view, having two different companies making two different maps is not an issue to merge them if business or market is valuable for that. Companies can merge or establish a punctual commercial agreement except if there is a strong technical reason not to do so which I doubt knowing quite well the techno used. So let’s continue to push for that.

[Mr_sukebe]

Why not simply sanity check them.  Google Earth can show actual elevation.  Go pick some random spots on the new map and see if they tally up?
 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Anyhow, funnily enough, this is old Normandy subforum if I'm not mistaken?

1 hour ago, Swson said:

Second point : I don’t agree at all about your view, having two different companies making two different maps is not an issue to merge them if business or market is valuable for that. Companies can merge or establish a punctual commercial agreement except if there is a strong technical reason not to do so which I doubt knowing quite well the techno used. So let’s continue to push for that.

You don't get it, you can agree or not, that's not my point, it's Dev's word about the subject. Right now, cannot be done and it won't happen. Period.

[Swson]

Right now it is not done I agree ….being unable to be done and will not be done is your sole opinion sorry about that …we must always trust in the future….The Normandy 2 is only an extension of Normandy map as illustrated by the « you already have licence for this product » message when you buy it, so I consider there is only one forum or sub forum for this map.

Edited April 23, 2023 by Swson

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Again, not MY opinion, it's the facts said and explained everywhere, which apparently you don't read, by ED itself, not my opinion. Can you read?

On the other hand, that BS you just came around with is just BS and your opinion, not a fact at all. The "you already own this product" sign only means it's difficult to tell the software how to handle two maps with same names covering same areas in the store and in the game itself plus in two selling platforms (Steam problems on top), only that. And no, this is factually the old version Normandy subforum section, which means it's dedicated to a deprecated product no longer available for purchase. Anybody arriving now to the store wanting to buy a Normandy map will only find N2, there's no more any more. Are you speaking of Normandy 1.0 map? No? Then you ARE in the wrong subforum speaking nonsense just because you want to bear attention into you and in the actual forum your stupid post would be buried quickly among many other threads while you believe you can trick everybody, but you don't trick anyone. And that's a fact, not opinion .

Edited April 23, 2023 by Ala13_ManOWar

[McVittees]

I lived in central London for 40 years and know the areas in and around lots of the map very well. I took a drive in humvee and the elevation map is way off in the parts of central London in which i drove.  For example, there are what look like steep hills between regents park and the west end (which is where Buckingham palace and Trafalgar square is) when in reality it is virtually flat with only a very gradual change in elevation. I wonder if this is due to the granularity of the elevation mesh and how slight changes are hard to create.   Also, the scale of some roads feels off in places - they feel about ~20% wider in real life.  You certainly can't navigate this rendition of London without the major landmarks they've created. 

Still, I think it is a great map and very evocative of the era.  The handcrafted buildings and buses are particularly brilliant.

Edited April 24, 2023 by McVittees

[Swson]

@Ala13_ManOWar Thîs is a gentlemen forum, you fully have right not being same opinion as I about content of my messages but no need to be so agressive Did you at least checked my facts on the map yourself ?

@McVittees Thank you for your comment about London, I fully agree with it, I have exactly the same feeling for the Paris area and that was I intended expressing in precedent exchanges. being not natively English speaking perhaps my words were badly understood

Whatsoever, this map add an interesting playground to recreate Battle of Britain and Paris libération but as you say, it could not be used for CA campaign mixed with air assets for example.

[Foxmike]

On 4/22/2023 at 6:28 PM, Swson said:

As I’m living in Paris I found the terrain around the city very flat. Particularly, the elevation of the Trocadéro palace and sacré cœur is badly rendered and almost the mont Valérien which is the highest point of the Paris area with the fort build at the top as well as Bois de Meudon and Domaine de Saint Cloud where were installed many air defense flak canon are not at all geographically pertinent even if of course I didn’t observe the landscape in 1944, the elevation did not change. Also I find the design of all the factories with the same kind of chimneys very recurrent.

So globally speaking I’m a bit deceived. Another point is that it would have been really interesting fusionning this map with the Channel map. I Hope this could be done in a near future to get only one map for this area and time.

I think you are right. The elevation is wrong,  it is too flat. But  (because you mention)  Sacré Cœur is missing completely. Montmartre in the sim is only a flat green park and where Sacré Cœur should be is only another green place of nothing. But for this kind of sim DCS represents it´s ok for me. I only had to reduce my setting for visibility range from Extreme to High only, because I get very bad stutter in VR (frametimes rise to over 40) over London and Paris when nearly the whole city gets rendered.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

I believe there are things stated in the module description still missing, so since it's an early access those will probably come later on like the extra aerodromes also said to come but not there yet.
 

4 hours ago, Swson said:

Thîs is a gentlemen forum, you fully have right not being same opinion as I about content of my messages but no need to be so agressive Did you at least checked my facts on the map yourself ?

Yep, you can start over again with your first post changing that tone of yours, it'd be really welcome . Did you check your facts, like this is old Normandy map subforum? Did you already find the new one yet? Start there .

[Foxmike]

Ok. I repeated a very low and slow flight towards Montmartre and the elevation there seems to be ok except the missing landmarks esp.  Sacré Cœur.

 

[PLUTON]

Hello everyone, please does anyone have a screenshot of the Palace of Versailles? because I couldn't find it!
Thanks in advance

[Hammock]

@PLUTON

Edited April 24, 2023 by Hammock

[Art-J]

I'd like to remind that F11 camera gives elevation ("Alt" on the left side of the info bar) amongst other data, so you guys can "fly" the camera faster and more precisely to whatever point of the map, measure relative elevations, compare to real life data (didn't even know Google Earth provides such info) and then discuss mesh accuracy or lack thereof.