Can we go back to the old flight model for the Huey....

[Dogmanbird]

23 hours ago, Tim_Fragmagnet said:

here's a timestamped video example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cUXsCmi9Uc&t=136s

Terrific video. Thank you for sharing it. It's often hard explaining to folk that the movements required are as fine as they are and if the setup has any kind of stiction, or a centre deadzone, it makes realistic / precise flying difficult. 

Edited June 9, 2023 by Dogmanbird

[lurch13]

On 5/24/2023 at 2:15 PM, CHPL said:

@StreakerSix

 

Location:
[game drive]\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\Uh-1H\FM
File: FMOptions.lua
Open with Text Editor, 2nd Line:
New_engine_model = true
change to:
New_engine_model = false

 

I have tried changing this line but I keep getting a message that I don't have permission to change this file when I try and save it. How do I go about changing the permissions? I am Admin on my computer.

This is my last hope before giving up on the Huey until this issue has been resolved.

[jpuk]

On 6/14/2023 at 11:01 PM, lurch13 said:

I have tried changing this line but I keep getting a message that I don't have permission to change this file when I try and save it. How do I go about changing the permissions? I am Admin on my computer.

This is my last hope before giving up on the Huey until this issue has been resolved.

Works for me. 

[DishDoggie]

On 6/14/2023 at 5:01 PM, lurch13 said:

I have tried changing this line but I keep getting a message that I don't have permission to change this file when I try and save it. How do I go about changing the permissions? I am Admin on my computer.

This is my last hope before giving up on the Huey until this issue has been resolved.

Use Notepad++ Run it in Admin Mode after install without DCS running change it and hit save. https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/

[Mike145]

Does anyone have the old FM working on Steam? 

Tried the LUA edit but it doesn't seem to work. 

TIA

Mike.

 

Sorted, was a problem with my editing.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Mike145
Now works

[lurch13]

On 6/16/2023 at 6:33 PM, DishDoggie said:

Use Notepad++ Run it in Admin Mode after install without DCS running change it and hit save. https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/

This worked, thanks a lot

Edited June 20, 2023 by lurch13
grammer

[Volator]

On 5/24/2023 at 10:15 PM, CHPL said:

@StreakerSix

 

Location:
[game drive]\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\Uh-1H\FM
File: FMOptions.lua
Open with Text Editor, 2nd Line:
New_engine_model = true
change to:
New_engine_model = false

 

Will this break integrity check for multiplayer?

The new flight model for the Huey is really a turn-off.

[CHPL]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Volator:

Will this break integrity check for multiplayer?

The new flight model for the Huey is really a turn-off.

No. It will work fine in multiplayer.

[Volator]

This is a great find, the Huey feels and flies a little more plausible with the old engine model - even if it evidently has some flaws, but it's better than the new one IMHO.

ED should make it a selectable option in "Special", so one doesn't always have to edit the FM file after an update.

[RealDCSpilot]

On 6/8/2023 at 5:10 PM, Tim_Fragmagnet said:

Helicopter controls as a whole are extremely sensitive on pretty much every helicopter, including the huey.
here's a timestamped video example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cUXsCmi9Uc&t=136s

This video is heavily misleading for DCS! In DCS we don't have any civilian light weight and fuel consumption optimized helicopter types! Civilian helicopter types are built very differently compared to military types. The payload for weapons alone is more than a ton in most cases, put the much larger fuel tanks, heavy duty engines and gears, armored cockpits and all the other mil-standard enhancements into account. Let's take 16 hellfires on an Apache for example, this is like having a team of 16 cheerleaders on board a relatively small machine. There is no way a military helicopter acts like he wanted to demonstrate in this video.

Edited November 3, 2023 by RealDCSpilot

[Bastlwastl]

Am 8.6.2023 um 11:36 schrieb Dogmanbird:

i built 35cm extensions for my two gunfighters and calibrate for the full range of travel. Even that requires tiny constant millimeter movements to achieve smooth stable flight.

May i ask how you built the extension, as i have a Gunfighter myself? Thank you!

[Dogmanbird]

@Bastlwastl

 

Hi, I used my old broken carbon fibre windsurfing booms. The fibre is wetted out with epoxy during manufacturing, which you can soften with a heat gun, then expand the tubing enough to join sections together and re glue with epoxy. I then mounted the ends of the steel extension on the carbon fibre one. The result is about half the weight of the gunfighter 20cm steel extensions.

[Dogmanbird]

On 11/3/2023 at 5:32 PM, RealDCSpilot said:

This video is heavily misleading for DCS! In DCS we don't have any civilian light weight and fuel consumption optimized helicopter types! Civilian helicopter types are built very differently compared to military types. The payload for weapons alone is more than a ton in most cases, put the much larger fuel tanks, heavy duty engines and gears, armored cockpits and all the other mil-standard enhancements into account. Let's take 16 hellfires on an Apache for example, this is like having a team of 16 cheerleaders on board a relatively small machine. There is no way a military helicopter acts like he wanted to demonstrate in this video.

 

i used to watch the pilot during my fully loaded milk run flights on sikorsky s76 (i hated flying) when working at esso and it was very much like in the video. I was always amazed that it seemed like the pilot was doing nothing with the the stick, even during 30-40 knot winds out at the gas rig

[RealDCSpilot]

S76 is just a bit more than half the weight of an AH64 Longbow. When it comes to maneuverability it really depends on each type and it's construction how it can and will react to inputs. Different models are very different on how they react to control input. It's design, specs and usage that define the end result.

[Hammer1-1]

On 6/1/2023 at 10:02 AM, jpuk said:

Hi, as far as I know, 140 mph is absolutely out of reality. Real max speed is somewhere about 110 but common speed is about 90, sometimes 100.

Its Vne is 140kts and that's only in a dive. There's no way you get those speeds without pointing the nose down that much. 90 for a slick is cruising at base pressure and temperatures, and IIRC the gunship is limited to 65kts due to weight restrictions. 100kts if colder and less dense air pressure. If it starts to shake, you're too fast.

[AirSenpai]

On 5/30/2023 at 5:35 PM, Ramsay said:

The trouble is the old flight model has been broken for a while, just because people adjusted to it's faults (the engine has been under performing since DCS 1.5.6) , didn't make it "right".

IMHO once ED have fine tuned engine, transmission and torque output to realistic figures and the DCS Huey can pass a realistic "hover check" at different altitudes and weights, they will have a much stronger foundation to tune the flight model (if that is their plan).

they haven't adjusted the wild left rudder to hover tendencies and let alone ground friction.