missing track file CPG display glare - literally unplayable

[admiki]

I have never looked at real life Apache screen, but claims that there is no glare at all seem exagerated. I have never seen a screen that did not glare under right conditions.

Edited October 21, 2023 by admiki

[Raptor9]

@al531246, please attach a track file demonstrating this issue, so that we can see how to replicate the precise angle of sun and cockpit/fuselage orientation that you experienced that produced this affect.

If the sun is coming through the canopy and reflecting off an MPD or the TDU, the sun can produce a glare just as if it was reflecting off your cell phone screen into your eyes. If it is coming through the structure of the aircraft itself, then that is another problem, so we require a track file to replicate the conditions that you experienced to identify the problem.

[BIGNEWY]

a reminder for all in this thread, keep it civil or do not post. 

If you want to help attach a track replay demonstrating the issue, make the track as short as possible and with only the AH-64D in, it will keep the tracks shorter. 

thank you

[admiki]

4 hours ago, Raptor9 said:

@al531246, please attach a track file demonstrating this issue, so that we can see how to replicate the precise angle of sun and cockpit/fuselage orientation that you experienced that produced this affect.

If the sun is coming through the canopy and reflecting off an MPD or the TDU, the sun can produce a glare just as if it was reflecting off your cell phone screen into your eyes. If it is coming through the structure of the aircraft itself, then that is another problem, so we require a track file to replicate the conditions that you experienced to identify the problem.

So, it glares IRL too?

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

a reminder for all in this thread, keep it civil or do not post. 

If you want to help attach a track replay demonstrating the issue, make the track as short as possible and with only the AH-64D in, it will keep the tracks shorter. 

thank you

What did I do now?

Just joking, please don't ban me!

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, admiki said:

What did I do now?

Ive hidden the offending posts so dont worry. 

If someone can give us a short as possible track replay example we will take a closer look, but the sun has a habit of being very bright and will create glare as it does in real life. As Raptor9 says if the sun should be blocked in the examples we can report it. 

thanks
 

[Temetre]

Ive never seen a screen glare that extremely. Not even early LCDs or CRTs.

And I find it very hard to believe that IRL Apaches just have to abort attacks because the sun is shining on the displays.

Not to mention, even if it was that bad in reality, you can position your body or hand to block the sunlight. Doesnt work in DCS.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Temetre

[al531246]

On 10/21/2023 at 5:33 PM, Raptor9 said:

@al531246, please attach a track file demonstrating this issue, so that we can see how to replicate the precise angle of sun and cockpit/fuselage orientation that you experienced that produced this affect.

If the sun is coming through the canopy and reflecting off an MPD or the TDU, the sun can produce a glare just as if it was reflecting off your cell phone screen into your eyes. If it is coming through the structure of the aircraft itself, then that is another problem, so we require a track file to replicate the conditions that you experienced to identify the problem.

Thank you for the acknowledgement. The problem in this case is not geometry, however that could be an additional issue worth looking into.

The problem is the excessive glare. The TEDAC does not glare IRL like it does in DCS. It has an anti-glare coating. The fix here is to massively reduce the glare amount on the display else this module is not a useable product.

Additional info; I found a study on the human factors of the AH-64 from 2002 (Unclassified) and it touches on this issue. Display readability issues from sun glare were reported as extremely rare. However many pilots noted the CPG's displays to be so bright that it reflected off the sides of the canopy glass creating a visual distraction for the Pilot when flying at night. It necessitates the deliberate dimming of the display or the use of the CPG window curtains. 
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA401032.pdf

Edited October 23, 2023 by al531246

[Rhinozherous]

Glare - no matter in which intensity - may be real and it is nice to see ED going for the real deal... But ED should not forget that you can easily do something against glare in the real world - covering display with the hand, move the view in ways the sim is not capable of (even not with trackir), put stuff onto the windows to block light,.... I think glare on displays should be at least optional via settings. 

[Raptor9]

1 hour ago, al531246 said:

Thank you for the acknowledgement. The problem in this case is not geometry, however that could be an additional issue worth looking into.

The problem is the excessive glare. The TEDAC does not glare IRL like it does in DCS. It has an anti-glare coating. The fix here is to massively reduce the glare amount on the display else this module is not a useable product.

As stated, please provide a track file demonstrating these conditions that you have shown in the OP. I have never seen this happen in DCS, and I have flown near dawn and desk on multiple maps myself, so I have not reproduced the conditions or angles.

I will also say that I have extensive experience with the AH-64D cockpit screens in real life across a variety of lighting condtions. Due to the combination of MPD mounting angles and in-cockpit glareshields, it is difficult to achieve direct glare from the MPDs, but certainly not impossible, and it is not uncommon to have the mid-morning or late afternoon sunlight shining on the MPDs or TDU that reduce their readibility, although not always to an unreadable level.

Citing information from the internet is one thing, but those that have real-world experience understand the context these documents lack. So again, if you have a relatively short track without mods that demonstrates the conditions you posted in your OP, it would be appreciated so we can address this report. Otherwise we are at an impasse; as you've stated your problem, and we've stated what we need to evaluate it to address it.