Any way to force NWS to off?

[eFirehawk]

Hi everyone,

So, I'm having a bit of a tough time doing elegant crosswind landings. Approach and initial touch down is not a problem, but once I have all wheels on the ground the rudder movements become too sensitive, making either the landings look very clumsy before the plane slows down enough or downright botched up - behaving as if I'd forgotten to turn NWS off in other modules.

As I understand, in the F-15, nose wheel steering is always on, and the nose wheel steering lever simply increases the nose wheel angle in order to make the plane turn much faster for parking, so I suspect this could be the issue. Is there any way to disable it? Never had this kind of issue in any other module.

 

 

[Hawkeye_NO]

Holding the paddle switch should disable nws (while beeing held, it will reenable when you let go of the paddle switch)

[razo+r]

25 minutes ago, eFirehawk said:

Hi everyone,

So, I'm having a bit of a tough time doing elegant crosswind landings. Approach and initial touch down is not a problem, but once I have all wheels on the ground the rudder movements become too sensitive, making either the landings look very clumsy before the plane slows down enough or downright botched up - behaving as if I'd forgotten to turn NWS off in other modules.

As I understand, in the F-15, nose wheel steering is always on, and the nose wheel steering lever simply increases the nose wheel angle in order to make the plane turn much faster for parking, so I suspect this could be the issue. Is there any way to disable it? Never had this kind of issue in any other module.

 

 

Press and hold the paddle switch to disengage the NWS

[WizzRD]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye_NO said:

Holding the paddle switch should disable nws (while beeing held, it will reenable when you let go of the paddle switch)

It might be worth noting though that disabling the NWS does not lock it in place, but rather makes it spinning freely. May not have the effect that the OP is looking for  

[GGTharos]

3 hours ago, eFirehawk said:

As I understand, in the F-15, nose wheel steering is always on, and the nose wheel steering lever simply increases the nose wheel angle in order to make the plane turn much faster for parking, so I suspect this could be the issue. Is there any way to disable it? Never had this kind of issue in any other module.

Correct, it is always on and it is turned off pretty much for the tugs and personnel to move the aircraft around.   As per the eagle manual (IIRC, it's been a while) put all wheels on the ground and use aileron to neutralize drift.

[jaylw314]

6 hours ago, WizzRD said:

It might be worth noting though that disabling the NWS does not lock it in place, but rather makes it spinning freely. May not have the effect that the OP is looking for  

True, but the steering from the rudders will probably be a lot less sensitive than the nosewheel at landing speeds!  Then, of course, you need to remember to center the pedals when you let go of the paddle after landing in a crosswind, otherwise you'll go spearing off into the grass  

[Erazor]

There is currently something off according to @Notso in the Razbam Discord. Quote:

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Correct.  BUt there is a current bug with the ground handling that makes takeoff and landing REALLY squirrely.

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by Erazor

[sirrah]

I was wondering about this as well

Didn't know yet about the "paddle switch hold" function, but if I understand @GGTharos correctly, this is not something which is actively used by the pilot during operations?

So, does anyone know how (irl) pilots handle the sensitive nws during take off and landing? (just like the OP, I kinda expected there to be an "nws off" function, like we have in the Hornet and Viper) 

Edited July 26, 2023 by sirrah

[GGTharos]

4 hours ago, sirrah said:

I was wondering about this as well

Didn't know yet about the "paddle switch hold" function, but if I understand @GGTharos correctly, this is not something which is actively used by the pilot during operations?

So, does anyone know how (irl) pilots handle the sensitive nws during take off and landing? (just like the OP, I kinda expected there to be an "nws off" function, like we have in the Hornet and Viper) 

It is not used by the pilot AFAIK, disengaging the NWS allows the wheel to free-caster which could lead to bad things.   It's used for moving the aircraft around physically AFAIK.

This may be a thing for RAZBAM to look into.  The issues of ground handling may be a problem in general in DCS - but you can also set curves for your rudder to help out.  I use a gentle touch of the rudders and it all works out for me, YMMV.  Aileron also helps (stick deflection against the wind to keep that wing from getting extra lift)

[sirrah]

11 minutes ago, GGTharos said:

It is not used by the pilot AFAIK, disengaging the NWS allows the wheel to free-caster which could lead to bad things.   It's used for moving the aircraft around physically AFAIK.

This may be a thing for RAZBAM to look into.  The issues of ground handling may be a problem in general in DCS - but you can also set curves for your rudder to help out.  I use a gentle touch of the rudders and it all works out for me, YMMV.  Aileron also helps (stick deflection against the wind to keep that wing from getting extra lift)

Oh I know, it's definitely manageable (rudder curves not even needed imo), but it just seems a bit odd that nws can't be disabled.

In the Hornet and Viper it's also very well possible to take off with nws enabled, but procedures say to disable it above certain speeds. I find it strange that this apparently isn't a thing in the Mudhen.

[GGTharos]

It's not a thing in eagles in general.

[sirrah]

26 minutes ago, GGTharos said:

It's not a thing in eagles in general.

Ok thanks for confirming  

[Mad Dog 762]

I enjoyed takeoffs and landings in the Eagle until this last update.  (.42583)  Now its a nightmare.  Whatever they changed, I hope they change it back!

 

[sirrah]

52 minutes ago, Mad Dog 762 said:

I enjoyed takeoffs and landings in the Eagle until this last update.  (.42583)  Now its a nightmare.  Whatever they changed, I hope they change it back!

 

Really? That's peculiar. I did several takeoffs yesterday and they all were way more smooth than before the update.

Kinda assumed it was me getting better at it . Never considered that the update might have changed something.

[Iron Sights]

To me NWS on low rate is not problem for takeoff or landing. I have tried the paddle switch and it’s not that useful as far as I’m concerned. Maybe try changing your curves on your rudder. Line up straight and avoid heavy inputs that cause pilot induced oscillations.

[Erazor]

3 hours ago, sirrah said:

Really? That's peculiar. I did several takeoffs yesterday and they all were way more smooth than before the update.

Kinda assumed it was me getting better at it . Never considered that the update might have changed something.

Sometimes its fine and sometimes you slowly begin to drift off center, and any correction you make, makes the problem it worse until you finally skid off the runway and crash.