AERGES announces the F-104

[MAXsenna]

14 minutes ago, irisono said:

I completely agree. It's a waste of time and a missed opportunity to capitalize on the momentum of the CW Germany map.

Now, how could Aerges predicted that the Germany map would come out? 

15 minutes ago, irisono said:

There's a huge risk that the excellent F-104 mods currently available will undermine this project's success and revenue.

Nah, they won't even compare.

Have you guys considered at all that the tech and knowledge developed in/through the F1 might be used to get the F-104 out sooner?  

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, irisono said:

I completely agree. It's a waste of time and a missed opportunity to capitalize on the momentum of the CW Germany map. There's a huge risk that the excellent F-104 mods currently available will undermine this project's success and revenue.

DCS only offers a limited number of operational scenarios for the F1M anyway.

The CWG map won't go anywhere and if anything, it's just going to be fleshed out even more during the next couple of months. In it's gurrent state, there's precisely one historical F-104G airbase on the whole playable map. Two, if you account for the short intermezzo of RCAF CF-104s at Zweibrücken. Maybe four if you account for some shorter USAF F-104C detachments in the early 60s.

The mod's nice. It's nowhere near to what Aerges has demonstrated as their quality and devotion to modelling a module in the past (C-101) and present (Mirage F1), though. Aerges has shown they'll go the extra mile for user requests and they have demonstrated ongoing support for multiple sub-variants of their modules (two in the C-101, four for the F1).

The F1M is not going to change the world or anybody's life. It's going to e out of place in A-A and also A-G for it's time frame (late 90s). It is, however, going to be a nice round-off and it'll be the first modernized cold-war module in DCS. All the thech developed into the F1M (including the radar-revamp) will be beneficiary to the 104, which will proably also come in several variants. What kinds of operational scenarios a module fits in, is entirely up to the the user.

Edited July 5 by Bremspropeller

[Silver_Dragon]

On 5/20/2025 at 11:53 AM, 303_Kermit said:

First prototype flew in 1998 so... I hope it's AiM-120 or MICA equipped. Some Vertical Scan acquisition also would be nice. otherwise it's pure masochism IMHO.

Aerges has building the Spanish M version, that version never was AIM-120 (none version was equiped with AMRAMS) or a Mica missile.

Edited July 5 by Silver_Dragon

[Silver_Dragon]

On 6/3/2025 at 11:40 PM, MiGCap1 said:

So sorry, but I am not a F.1 fanboy, actually I didn't even like it in RL.

As I said, my personal opinion. And I stick with it.

The F.1 was not a jet as widely used as the F-104. So for me it is bad news that the development of the Starfighter module was put behind. That's all.

 

Aerges has not delayed nothing, on fact continue the develop of your two modules but the F104G module has nothing to do with the Germany map by Ugra Media. On fact, Aerges Never was your plans release the F104 with the Ugra Media Germany map, and ED has not talking nothing about a complete module by Aerges to internal testing, or a preorder to release.

Remember Aerges has not show a fully funtional F-104, only teasers on december 2024. That module surely need 1-2 years to release them. Aerges was very clear 7 months ago...

Tasks on aerges:
- Rebuild the M-1 Radar, detection and tracking. 
- Overhuld the external and carrier landing textures 
- improve the C101 and F1 posible failures and damage models.
- Customize Force freeback and the colimated sight repeater con the F1BE
- Component based simulation to improve phisical, logical and failures.
- F-104 go to good progress, Flight model and basis systems are ready and funtional. Engine, electronics, hydraulic, control and armament systems, like to include an armament failure simulatios, work continue on remaing systems.

From march by Vibora:

 

Edited July 5 by Silver_Dragon

[irisono]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Bremspropeller:

The CWG map won't go anywhere and if anything, it's just going to be fleshed out even more during the next couple of months. In it's gurrent state, there's precisely one historical F-104G airbase on the whole playable map. Two, if you account for the short intermezzo of RCAF CF-104s at Zweibrücken. Maybe four if you account for some shorter USAF F-104C detachments in the early 60s.

The mod's nice. It's nowhere near to what Aerges has demonstrated as their quality and devotion to modelling a module in the past (C-101) and present (Mirage F1), though. Aerges has shown they'll go the extra mile for user requests and they have demonstrated ongoing support for multiple sub-variants of their modules (two in the C-101, four for the F1).

The F1M is not going to change the world or anybody's life. It's going to e out of place in A-A and also A-G for it's time frame (late 90s). It is, however, going to be a nice round-off and it'll be the first modernized cold-war module in DCS. All the thech developed into the F1M (including the radar-revamp) will be beneficiary to the 104, which will proably also come in several variants. What kinds of operational scenarios a module fits in, is entirely up to the the user.

Aside from your statement: "The F1M is not going to change the world or anybody's life", I think your other statements are wrong.

In order to generate historically inspired scenarios, you have to make small compromises with the time era of the maps available in DCS. Only in the rarest of cases (e.g. WWII) will you come close.

And no, the F-104C mod isn't just nice. It's really good. Excellent exterior graphics and cockpit textures, clickable cockpit, believable flight model. All of this comes close to a FF module. What has Aerges shown us so far? A very nicely designed cockpit video presented with pompous music. And the crucial thing in the whole sim business, and you seem to have forgotten this, is some degree of commercial and publicity success. With every day that the F-104 module doesn't appear, the risk of failure increases.

[Bremspropeller]

30 minutes ago, irisono said:

In order to generate historically inspired scenarios, you have to make small compromises with the time era of the maps available in DCS.

Exactly, so you can use the F1M pretty much anywhere you like.

30 minutes ago, irisono said:

And no, the F-104C mod isn't just nice. It's really good. Excellent exterior graphics and cockpit textures, clickable cockpit, believable flight model.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the F-104C isn't anywhere near a believable flight model. It's thrust and lift performance are too good, the roll-response is way too little, the engine-response is way too bad and it's got systems issues all over the place. All of that is normal for a mod and it probably will at least partially be corrected in future iterations.

It's not on par with my expectations for the Aerges 104.

30 minutes ago, irisono said:

A very nicely designed cockpit video presented with pompous music. And the crucial thing in the whole sim business, and you seem to have forgotten this, is some degree of commercial and publicity success. With every day that the F-104 module doesn't appear, the risk of failure increases.

I don't think so. People who enjoy systems-depth will not be repelled by the mod being out before the module. If you're on the fence, you'll be able to use the trial system at some time and decide whether the diference is worth your cash or not. I'll buy the Aerges 104 right at launch.

I'll most probably keep the 104C alongside the Aerges 104 - if it gets better. It fills a slightly different niche than the 104G and it's a 'nam bird.

Edited July 5 by Bremspropeller

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, irisono said:

In order to generate historically inspired scenarios, you have to make small compromises with the time era of the maps available in DCS. Only in the rarest of cases (e.g. WWII) will you come close.

A 1980s Europe scenario? Let's be serious... the servers are going to use a 1995 Viggen AJS, a 2005 AH-64D Block II, a 2005 A-10C, a 2007 F-16C Block 50, a 2002 F/A-18C Lot 20, a 2001 CH-47F, a 1999 C-130J  and more... the fact that a 2000 version of the Mirage F-1M appears in 1980 is going to be irrelevant, because everyone is going to want to fly their module on the German map.

Edited July 5 by Silver_Dragon

[felixx75]

It's always funny to see how people argue and fight here (and in other threads throughout the forum) about subjects that have already been decided and finalised, apparently in the hope of changing the developers' decision. They will surely have thought carefully about why they made the decision they did...

[Rudel_chw]

18 minutes ago, felixx75 said:

It's always funny to see how people argue and fight here (and in other threads throughout the forum) about subjects that have already been decided and finalised, apparently in the hope of changing the developers' decision. They will surely have thought carefully about why they made the decision they did...

 

To me, the really funny part is to observe all the criticism when a developer, say ED, releases a new aircrat (Chinook) without finishing their previous ones (Mi-24P and AH-64) ... which I feel is totally deserved, while at the same time on this thread, other users clamor for exactly that: please Aerges, stop working on the Mirage F1 and deliver the F-104 right now ...  

[MAXsenna]

 
To me, the really funny part is to observe all the criticism when a developer, say ED, releases a new aircrat (Chinook) without finishing their previous ones (Mi-24P and AH-64) ... which I feel is totally deserved, while at the same time on this thread, other users clamor for exactly that: please Aerges, stop working on the Mirage F1 and deliver the F-104 right now ...  

Irony at it's best!

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[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

To me, the really funny part is to observe all the criticism when a developer, say ED, releases a new aircrat (Chinook) without finishing their previous ones (Mi-24P and AH-64) ... which I feel is totally deserved, while at the same time on this thread, other users clamor for exactly that: please Aerges, stop working on the Mirage F1 and deliver the F-104 right now ...  

[diego999]

17 hours ago, irisono said:

DCS only offers a limited number of operational scenarios for the F1M anyway.

 

Kinda like the Corsair. Would you call that a waste of time too?

[felixx75]

20 hours ago, irisono said:

DCS only offers a limited number of operational scenarios for the F1M anyway.

DCS offers almost infinite possibilities, limited only by the technical framework of DCS and the imagination of the mission creator.

It's not just about historically accurate missions in DCS...