DCS FIGHTER PILOT Posted October 19, 2023 Posted October 19, 2023 Are these much improved radar detection and tracking ranges indented? As you can see in the track, I am able to successfully detect and lock and F-16 out past 80 nautical miles. This is F-14/F-15 level stuff here. F-18 Detect F-16.trk 1
AdrianL Posted October 19, 2023 Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) See this for detail on the radar changes. https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/17bmpph/dcs_29046801_aircraft_radar_ranges_chart_fa18c/ Edited October 19, 2023 by AdrianL
MARLAN_ Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 I can't speak on what the real numbers should be, but the changes are perfectly in the realm of realism. They implemented probability of detection which is a huge improvement to their radar modeling, this means while it's possible to detect a fighter at for example 90+nm, this would require you to essentially already know where they are (controller gives you a BRAA/Bullseye), because your chance to detect is very low (~1%/hit) so you'd be in for example 1 bar, 20 degrees, HPRF, it would be very unlikely to detect this contact if you were normally sanitizing (160 degrees, 6 bar, INTL) It's a great change by ED. 3 1 Virtual CVW-8 - The mission of Virtual Carrier Air Wing EIGHT is to provide its members with an organization committed to presenting an authentic representation of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing operations in training and combat environments based on the real world experience of its real fighter pilots, air intercept controllers, airbosses, and many others.
ED Team Lord Vader Posted October 20, 2023 ED Team Posted October 20, 2023 Hi @DCS FIGHTER PILOT(nice nick, ) The current implementation of the radar logic for the DCS: F/A-18C (and DCS: F-16C) is the result of an extensive study of several sources. Some of these changes may require some more tweaks to become even better. But, as it is, we're confident it is closer to a more realistic representation of the system, within the limitations of a simulation, of course. We always welcome opinions but these need to be supported by publicly available evidence. If you have documentation that shows, for example, that detections can't go that far, please feel free to send it to @BIGNEWYand we'll certainly analyse it. 1 Esquadra 701 - DCS Portugal - Discord
Dragon1-1 Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 10 hours ago, DCS FIGHTER PILOT said: This is F-14/F-15 level stuff here. This is right, although you have to be specifically looking for it. You won't believe what the F-14 is capable of IRL, in a similar situation. The most common scenario for this to come up would be maintaining STT on a target that's trying to run away. It should be possible to keep it even quite far out.
Tango3B Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Lord Vader said: Hi @DCS FIGHTER PILOT(nice nick, ) The current implementation of the radar logic for the DCS: F/A-18C (and DCS: F-16C) is the result of an extensive study of several sources. Some of these changes may require some more tweaks to become even better. But, as it is, we're confident it is closer to a more realistic representation of the system, within the limitations of a simulation, of course. We always welcome opinions but these need to be supported by publicly available evidence. If you have documentation that shows, for example, that detections can't go that far, please feel free to send it to @BIGNEWYand we'll certainly analyse it. Yesterday, I tested the new radar implementation in both the F/A-18C and the F-16C and I think ED has actually done a pretty decent job with Phase II of the radar re-work. The differences are very obvious. You guys are definitely on the right track there. Now, with Phase III then also adressing the dreaded look-down penalty and other related problems I think ED will finally be able to present a very credible radar simulation à la Razbam. While Phase II surely might have some issues I have to say I did not run into any weird stuff, yet. So, big thumbs up from me for the team… 3
Katsu Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) On 10/20/2023 at 6:30 AM, Lord Vader said: Hi @DCS FIGHTER PILOT(nice nick, ) The current implementation of the radar logic for the DCS: F/A-18C (and DCS: F-16C) is the result of an extensive study of several sources. Some of these changes may require some more tweaks to become even better. But, as it is, we're confident it is closer to a more realistic representation of the system, within the limitations of a simulation, of course. We always welcome opinions but these need to be supported by publicly available evidence. If you have documentation that shows, for example, that detections can't go that far, please feel free to send it to @BIGNEWYand we'll certainly analyse it. I may be misunderstanding, but according to the paper provided here by the ED itself, the estimated ranges are much smaller. I can hold a target lock at 80+ nm (5sqm RCS target) now without any problem, as previously mentioned, it doesn't seem to be an F-18 capability (especially the Legacy) to have such long eyes, due to the limited space for a larger antenna dish. Anyway, I'm sorry if I misunderstood, since you guys are doing the research and showing us these unprecedented capabilities of these planes. Edited October 22, 2023 by Katsu
ChaosRifle Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 @Katsu that paper is for V1, which didn't account for atmospheric propagation, RCS fluctuation due to constructive and destructive interference of the radar waveform, noise variability (not educated enough to confidently speak on this one), and the doppler resolution changes we are currently in V2, which does have those things, and its worth noting, the hits are transient past 70nm (30000ft+ coaltitude, knock off 20nm for the f16 being on the deck) for an F16, not guaranteed. Locks are easier to hold once you have it, but getting it isnt always the most reliable past 70, given the hits are transient (you may get a hit, you may not. only within 70nm (again, coalt 30k ft+) can you be confident you should have got a hit)
Hobel Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 vor 7 Stunden schrieb Katsu: I may be misunderstanding, but according to the paper provided here by the ED itself, the estimated ranges are much smaller. I can hold a target lock at 80+ nm (5sqm RCS target) now without any problem, as previously mentioned, it doesn't seem to be an F-18 capability (especially the Legacy) to have such long eyes, due to the limited space for a larger antenna dish. Anyway, I'm sorry if I misunderstood, since you guys are doing the research and showing us these unprecedented capabilities of these planes.
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