Now with Open Beta 2.9, ppl looking to upgrade CPU, What path would you take AMD or Intel?

[hannibal]

Starting poll on CPU experience with OB 2.9 release.

[LucShep]

IMO, I don't think you'll notice much difference in performance (if any) with DCS, be it in 2D or VR, between AMD 7800x3d, 7850x3d or 7900x3d and Intel 13700k, 13900k, 14700k or 14900k....

So I'd say to get the combo deal (you have to consider motherboard, cooling and RAM) that gets to be the least expensive.

I also have to say that 14th gen is the least impressive release by Intel in years, 13th gen is actually better of a choice than before if discounts appear.

Edited October 20, 2023 by LucShep

[diego999]

49 minutes ago, LucShep said:

I also have to say that 14th gen is the least impressive release by Intel in years, 13th gen is actually better of a choice than before if discounts appear.

 

 

This. 14th is just a "refreshed" 13th with marginal improvements and higher price. Avoid for now.

[hannibal]

leaning on 7800x3d. at least i can upgrade for 8800x3d and not be stuck..

[SharpeXB]

I don’t think there’s anything in 2.9 that’s CPU related. DLSS is all GPU. Multicore is the default .exe but in that case you still want the strongest single core performance you can get, the speed of single cores still matters. That much hasn’t changed. 
Intel still has the edge here but not by much

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

Edited October 21, 2023 by SharpeXB

[Biggus]

I'd go with whoever was offering me the longest chipset longevity and hope that they actually followed through with it.

[HC_Official]

for the first time in 18 years I built an AMD based system using 7800X3D, came from a 8700K , it is so much faster

[plehmann]

agree with some of the commentary- I've been intel since 486 days. Recently I've looked at the 7800x3d and its performance in DCS, MSFS and some other CPU intensive/limited games. do the search specifically for performance for those specific scenarios, 7800x3d is the way to go. single core ( as per above is important for MANY applications and of course does support an overall multicore performance usage profile. But 3dvcache for sims is the hardware choice for performance currently - clock and ST IPC  used to be THE MOST important aspect before 3dv cache appeared with 5800

So given the above the $/perf ratio is  for gaming still the king here, on top of that in the 2 named applications above teh performance is better, power usage is waaaaay lower and you have a strong upgrade pathway next year to the updated 7800x3d ( 8800x3d?) 

you're not going to lose that much on getting intel but now with 14th gen ( and its decidly meh perf step)  your upgrade pathway is over, wrt to having to get new MB,  whereas amd give you that option next year to 8800x3d.

I'm currently running gigabyte aorus master, 7800x3d, 64GB cl30 600 mhz ( from teh QVL list) + gigabyte 4090 so its about as strong a system as you can get for Pimax crystal VR. 

so for simming my recommendation is 7800x3d with is large 3d vcache ( that the sims love) and you've got an upgrade route too for cpu upgrade that most sims are still starved for.

now the DLSS, and other AA tech is appearing , MT is going to get better and with Vulcan, DFR etc alll playing their part it's going to be easier to to keep the upgrade cycles longer.

happy simming P.

[hannibal]

3 hours ago, plehmann said:

agree with some of the commentary- I've been intel since 486 days. Recently I've looked at the 7800x3d and its performance in DCS, MSFS and some other CPU intensive/limited games. do the search specifically for performance for those specific scenarios, 7800x3d is the way to go. single core ( as per above is important for MANY applications and of course does support an overall multicore performance usage profile. But 3dvcache for sims is the hardware choice for performance currently - clock and ST IPC  used to be THE MOST important aspect before 3dv cache appeared with 5800

So given the above the $/perf ratio is  for gaming still the king here, on top of that in the 2 named applications above teh performance is better, power usage is waaaaay lower and you have a strong upgrade pathway next year to the updated 7800x3d ( 8800x3d?) 

you're not going to lose that much on getting intel but now with 14th gen ( and its decidly meh perf step)  your upgrade pathway is over, wrt to having to get new MB,  whereas amd give you that option next year to 8800x3d.

I'm currently running gigabyte aorus master, 7800x3d, 64GB cl30 600 mhz ( from teh QVL list) + gigabyte 4090 so its about as strong a system as you can get for Pimax crystal VR. 

so for simming my recommendation is 7800x3d with is large 3d vcache ( that the sims love) and you've got an upgrade route too for cpu upgrade that most sims are still starved for.

now the DLSS, and other AA tech is appearing , MT is going to get better and with Vulcan, DFR etc alll playing their part it's going to be easier to to keep the upgrade cycles longer.

happy simming P.

with black friday so close, i should wait a month and open wallet. though im tempted to just get the 7800x3d now!

[BitMaster]

FWIW, imho an AMD system is easier to handle and maintain than Intel chipset based systems. I run both myself and service a few dozen PC's at client sites. The AMD systems are just way easier to update with chipset drivers. It's a QoL feature but for some that may make a difference when finding a decision.

Actually, I cannot recall a single Intel system that I sold since Ryzen came out, really zero Intel...and I am no fan boy of either one, I just buy what I think is best and I only sell what I trust.

But tbh, I don't sell to customers anymore, it's only a BIG family and LOTS of friends that I still do actually build a rig for. If a customer needs 5 or 10 new Clients I give Dell a call, no kidding.

So it's been like 10 systems since then, but they are all happy, no complaints and easy maintenance for me via TeamViewer.

[hannibal]

ended up getting 7800x3d. but jeebus the motherboard was more than the chip!

yea, all this talk about parking cores, turning off efficiency cores for the intel, process lasso, all seem cumbersome for the intel side