Wake Turbulence too much?

[SharpeXB]

Does this effect seem way too severe when dogfighting in the Spitfire? The plane is kicked and thrown all over the sky by it. 

[=475FG= Dawger]

On 10/29/2023 at 7:55 PM, SharpeXB said:

Does this effect seem way too severe when dogfighting in the Spitfire? The plane is kicked and thrown all over the sky by it. 

The short answer is yes. Wake turbulence is weight dependent. Its takes a pretty heavy bird to produce anything significant, over 100K lbs. Below that its a burble of varying intensity but nothing particularly exciting.

[SharpeXB]

4 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

The short answer is yes. Wake turbulence is weight dependent. Its takes a pretty heavy bird to produce anything significant, over 100K lbs. Below that its a burble of varying intensity but nothing particularly exciting.

The effect on the Spitfire just following another fighter seems pretty severe. Like it will kick you right outa the sky. 

[=475FG= Dawger]

29 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

The effect on the Spitfire just following another fighter seems pretty severe. Like it will kick you right outa the sky. 

Overdone but at least the Spitfire doesn't explode from it like the MIrage F1 did (does?).

[Hobel]

vor einer Stunde schrieb =475FG= Dawger:

Overdone but at least the Spitfire doesn't explode from it like the MIrage F1 did (does?).

at what distance did the WW2 airplanes take off and land from each other?  
 

there should also have been standards at that time so that the airplanes were not overturned by WT.
Is it possible to take off and land in DCS according to these standards without much risk, yes or no?

[=475FG= Dawger]

16 minutes ago, Hobel said:

at what distance did the WW2 airplanes take off and land from each other?  
 

there should also have been standards at that time so that the airplanes were not overturned by WT.
Is it possible to take off and land in DCS according to these standards without much risk, yes or no?

 

[SharpeXB]

I launched an air-start instant action mission when my response curve settings has been lost. The Spitfire disintegrated instantly The raw joystick input was too much. 

Edited November 12, 2023 by SharpeXB

[grafspee]

@SharpeXB If you dogfighting and you are following plane while he is pulling 2-3-4-5 G you are experiencing WT equivalent to plane which weigh is 2-3-4-5 heavier then you, so trick it to not enter his WT by flying above him or with side offset, if you stay dead center behind expect rough ride.

Edited November 13, 2023 by grafspee

[Toastfrenzy]

I have Wake Turbulence selected on, do many actually have it on and is it not liked on Multiplayer servers as don't believe I've experienced it online - but then I try not to follow directly behind.

[Art-J]

I believe MP servers used to have it off because apart from performance hit it occasionally caused some physics shenanigans when lag spikes were experienced. Maybe it still does and thus is not preferrable online.

[motoadve]

IMHO wake turbulence is spot on in DCS, at least prop planes which I fly IRL and have done many simulated dogfights in warbirds, I would not change anything of what we have in DCS regarding wake turbulence.

[Red_Pilot]

34 минуты назад, motoadve сказал:

IMHO wake turbulence is spot on in DCS, at least prop planes which I fly IRL and have done many simulated dogfights in warbirds, I would not change anything of what we have in DCS regarding wake turbulence.

By the way, what turbulence value do you use on the map of the Caucasus in summer and what in winter? Which values do you think are more correct?

[motoadve]

1 hour ago, Red_Pilot said:

By the way, what turbulence value do you use on the map of the Caucasus in summer and what in winter? Which values do you think are more correct?

I dont create missions, so use the value that the MP server in 4YA uses or Reflected uses in his campaigns

[Buzz313th]

2 hours ago, motoadve said:

IMHO wake turbulence is spot on in DCS, at least prop planes which I fly IRL and have done many simulated dogfights in warbirds, I would not change anything of what we have in DCS regarding wake turbulence.

Thank you for speaking up..  

I've got tons of time in light cloth skinned civil acro birds in formation flight as well as a bunch of time in Marchetti's doing mock ACM.  Yes, if you get in someone WT while they are under load it will feel like it is trying to flip you.  When in formation be aware of Wingtip Vortices and how they diverge from the tips.  The precision military acro teams, TB's and BA's are used to flying close to the WTV's of the lead ship and will tuck in as close as they can until they start to get a hair of rough air.  That's their slot.  

No Spit time unfortunately    Just commenting on general wake turbulence.

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Buzz313th

[Buzz313th]

Wow..  I was looking for a video in a wind tunnel to show WTV and found this...

Pretty advanced if you ask me..  It also must use up a good percentage of system resources to calculate.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wake+turbulence+in+wind+tunnel+video&sca_esv=584304970&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1071US1071&sxsrf=AM9HkKmK50OwLJHQxQDzfjAIKyn84gSdaA%3A1700579634723&ei=MslcZYfPK87DkPIPptSWcA&ved=0ahUKEwiHsKjosNWCAxXOIUQIHSaqBQ4Q4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=wake+turbulence+in+wind+tunnel+video&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJHdha2UgdHVyYnVsZW5jZSBpbiB3aW5kIHR1bm5lbCB2aWRlbzIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKsCSNgRUPQGWOIPcAF4AJABAJgBcqAB9wSqAQM2LjG4AQPIAQD4AQHCAg4QABiABBiKBRiGAxiwA-IDBBgBIEGIBgGQBgU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#vhid=c_DeWZtZ6UzevM&vssid=videos-3a33d53a

Edited November 21, 2023 by Buzz313th

[razo+r]

27 minutes ago, Buzz313th said:

Wow..  I was looking for a video in a wind tunnel to show WTV and found this...

Pretty advanced if you ask me..  It also must use up a good percentage of system resources to calculate.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wake+turbulence+in+wind+tunnel+video&sca_esv=584304970&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1071US1071&sxsrf=AM9HkKmK50OwLJHQxQDzfjAIKyn84gSdaA%3A1700579634723&ei=MslcZYfPK87DkPIPptSWcA&ved=0ahUKEwiHsKjosNWCAxXOIUQIHSaqBQ4Q4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=wake+turbulence+in+wind+tunnel+video&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJHdha2UgdHVyYnVsZW5jZSBpbiB3aW5kIHR1bm5lbCB2aWRlbzIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKsCSNgRUPQGWOIPcAF4AJABAJgBcqAB9wSqAQM2LjG4AQPIAQD4AQHCAg4QABiABBiKBRiGAxiwA-IDBBgBIEGIBgGQBgU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#vhid=c_DeWZtZ6UzevM&vssid=videos-3a33d53a

 

 

[Skewgear]

6 hours ago, Art-J said:

I believe MP servers used to have it off because apart from performance hit it occasionally caused some physics shenanigans when lag spikes were experienced. Maybe it still does and thus is not preferrable online.

Project Overlord has had wake turbulence turned on for a few months now. For a long time we believed it would be a performance hog, then we did some public experiments and discovered the impact was negligible on the server and players reported little negative effect on their systems.

If I remember rightly it's a forced server side setting, so everyone experiences the same when they fly with us. It is not enabled on the 4YA WW2 training server, however.

[Toastfrenzy]

16 hours ago, Skewgear said:

Project Overlord has had wake turbulence turned on for a few months now. For a long time we believed it would be a performance hog, then we did some public experiments and discovered the impact was negligible on the server and players reported little negative effect on their systems.

If I remember rightly it's a forced server side setting, so everyone experiences the same when they fly with us. It is not enabled on the 4YA WW2 training server, however.

Ah, ok I've mainly flown on the 4YA Normandy training server and only a few times on the Project Overlord server - where I hardly saw a soul -4k user pre 2.9 update - I'll be giving Overlord a go later this week now the dots are better.

[VDV]

where is the option for wake turbolence now? Havent been there for a while and now cant find it...

[Art-J]

^ "Gameplay" options screen, bottom of the middle column.