VPForce Vs. FFBeast Comparison?

[FZG_Immel]

I own both but dont have time for a review right now. But ask your questions away. I will respond top the best of my abilites

[Supernova-III]

The price difference is small. But:

• FFBeast is built of metal, which is anyway more solid than plastic thing
• FFBeast can give you same exact force that VPForce does
• At the same time, you can use FFBeast with a long extension, which will increase your precision while having forces that VPForce could generate only without extension

For me, that's basically it. I really appreciate the work done for making VPForce available, but for me it would be viable option only if it were significantly cheaper than it costs. Otherwise I prefer solidness and flexibility (in terms of force range) of FFBeast.

 

P.S. More force will give you more understanding of an aircraft actual limits, and your limits as a pilot. Some maneuvers you could easily perform on a regular spring stick or VPForce at low settings, are not actually that easy (or not easy at all), and it must be like that from point of view of simulation.

**added**

P.P.S. Adding FFB with high forces to your rig doesn't necessarily mean that you should immediately start performing better. Not at all. But there's no shame! Just because there are two more dimensions: you have to react on effects + you have to handle the force. It's naturally that you start flying worse. But it's only a matter of time

Edited August 13, 2024 by Supernova-III

[zcaa0g]

Do you really have to connect the FFBeast to an external base like the Virpil base for functionality with that platform or am I misunderstanding?

[propeler]

12 hours ago, zcaa0g said:

Do you really have to connect the FFBeast to an external base like the Virpil base for functionality with that platform or am I misunderstanding?

No. You don't. FFBeast works on it's own. May be you are confused with grip connection. At the moment FFBeast controller supports natively only Thrustmaster grips. So you need to connect VKB or VPC grips to their original controllers. But things are changing. We cooperate with Virpil Controls on adding officially  support for their grips. In next version (that will be available very soon) Mongoos, Alpha Prime R and FLNKR already will be supported. Other grips will come later.

[Aapje]

2 hours ago, propeler said:

In next version (that will be available very soon) Mongoos, Alpha Prime R and FLNKR already will be supported. Other grips will come later.

Does this require a hardware change or is this a software thing, so already built/shipped bases will get this as well?

[propeler]

19 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Does this require a hardware change or is this a software thing, so already built/shipped bases will get this as well?

No. Just updating firmware. Cable connection is the same as for thrustmaster

 

[Aapje]

I wonder if Moza's issues with the Virpil passthrough is also a firmware limitation or a hardware issue.

[propeler]

It is not an issue. It is intended behavior. VPC devices are made to work with their own protocol communicating with their own controllers. And this protocol officially is not open. The fact that Rhino "hacked" it and uses in their devices only means Virpil Controls do not care about it so much(for now...). But for bigger companies just using "hacked" protocols not only the question of business ethic, but also a question of risks connected to legal issues. Of cause, Moza is company from China and at some point can decide to add "hacked" VPC grips support just ignoring mentioned facts, but for now they decided not to do it.

[Aapje]

I think that it is unwise for Virpil to do so, since they would be hurting their own customers. And they are not actually a very big company, so I don't see how the legal fees would ever be worth it, even if it would cost them a few unit sales.

I also think that there is little ethical issue with 'hacking' hardware that you own.

[Aapje]

On 8/14/2024 at 8:52 AM, propeler said:

In next version (that will be available very soon) Mongoos, Alpha Prime R and FLNKR already will be supported. Other grips will come later.

Sorry to bother you again, but do those 'other grips' include the left-handed version of the Alpha? On the IL-2 forum we have a guy who would like a left-handed grip, but he also has some (other) complicated demands about the grip.

[propeler]

All requested grips will be added (including collectives). I do not have all for tests so will be adding them when there will be a person ready to test and give feedback what to adjust in implementation. 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

On 5/10/2024 at 12:22 PM, Hiob said:

9G and still are considered sim-pilot‘s heaven (for some)

Off-topic: if my understanding is correct, when the user does not have proper equipment and go to 9G, that user may literally go to heaven (or where ever the user's belief)

[Aapje]

No, untrained test subjects have been subjected to 20g for less than 10 seconds and 10g for up to a minute with no observed long or short term harm.

Of course, there have been no scientific tests to death, but Stapp survived a 46 g peak test run.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Thanks for clarification.

[Hiob]

16 minutes ago, Aapje said:

No, untrained test subjects have been subjected to 20g for less than 10 seconds and 10g for up to a minute with no observed long or short term harm.

Of course, there have been no scientific tests to death, but Stapp survived a 46 g peak test run.

Staying conscious and capable of acting is a different story though.

 

 

[Obic]

Has anyone order the 20nm one instead of the 35nm version?
Do you think it's worth it for a extra 100 euro or not ?

Edited November 25, 2024 by Obic

[Panzerlang]

I went beast-hunting (lol), only to discover I'd already pre-ordered it some time ago (not a clue when). I've updated the order but there is no indication how long the wait-list is for pre-assembled units. Anyone know?

Oh, just to chime in on the force debate...makes obvious sense to me, get the biggest and strongest of anything, even if your use-case won't demand full-fat performance. Hence The Beast.

Edited November 26, 2024 by Panzerlang

[propeler]

On 11/25/2024 at 12:41 PM, Obic said:

Has anyone order the 20nm one instead of the 35nm version?

You can decide on your own. On the page there is a CAD base preview with possibility to measure dimensions. You can find out how long stick extension you will need and decide from that knowledge.  I propose 20Nm for those who either will be using short stick extender (100mm max) or flies helos exclusively (as helos do not need all that force). If you fly prop airplanes, modern jets, plan to use it with full size stick extender ( for example 200mm), and want to achieve more realistic forces on the stick  - 35Nm will give you more room in forces. 20Nm will bee too weak to give good dynamic range. 
 

On 11/26/2024 at 2:22 AM, Panzerlang said:

Oh, just to chime in on the force debate...makes obvious sense to me, get the biggest and strongest of anything, even if your use-case won't demand full-fat performance

Do you have proper grip for it?  Not all grips will handle it

[Icaro_07]

is there a list for ordering it ?

[Panzerlang]

1 hour ago, Icaro_07 said:

is there a list for ordering it ?

GV's just started building mine and he had the parts in hand for two as of close last night.

GVL224 game devices to order

[Padinn]

Curious if there is any sense of current wait list times for the 35nm?

[propeler]

1 hour ago, Padinn said:

Curious if there is any sense of current wait list times for the 35nm?

Send me an email. It is very dynamic an changing.