waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, Viper33 said:

It's a simple equation. The F-15E sold very well and was one of the best selling modules that year. ED clearly treats all 3rd party generated income as their own in order to inflate their company value and liquidity.

Oh dear, another conspirator from the year 2023, I wonder who this one is from Discord/Reddit  

[Mizzy]

23 minutes ago, Smashy said:

I think this naivety makes them prone to believing anything that supports what they imagine is happening.  It would be neat to see less time spent jumping to conclusions and more time spent playing the game while things get sorted.

I have been in legal wranglings several times in my life and all were long drawn out affairs which I don't ever want repeating. Good post that was.

Mizzy 

[Citizen]

14 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

firstly I am not an influencer here in DCS

Mizzy, you're a named and credited contributor to ED.

[Mizzy]

36 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Why wouldn't it be true? You need to blame Razbam for taking them out of EA. That's the current state really.
 

Brilliant, I wish I had your logic skills, 

Greetings

Mizzy

6 minutes ago, Citizen said:

Mizzy, you're a named and credited contributor to ED.

I don't contribute to ED other than in the same way as you do. I'm sorry what is your point, I don't mean to be rude.

[Citizen]

2 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

I don't contribute to ED other than in the same way as you do. I'm sorry what is your point, I don't mean to be rude.

? I'm not credited in any ED publication.  At least, I shouldn't be.  You are.

If Razbam credited me for work on their product, folks would be right to say that I have an interest in the topic that colors my opinion on the matter.

The words of people engaged with RB or ED aren't of much value in my estimation because they have an interest in the topic that colors their opinion.

[Mizzy]

9 minutes ago, Citizen said:

? I'm not credited in any ED publication.  At least, I shouldn't be.  You are.

If Razbam credited me for work on their product, folks would be right to say that I have an interest in the topic that colors my opinion on the matter.

The words of people engaged with RB or ED aren't of much value in my estimation because they have an interest in the topic that colors their opinion.

Enjoy your evening or afternoon.

Edited September 7, 2024 by Mizzy

[maxTRX]

10 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

Enjoy your evening or afternoon.

 

lol, quick edit Mizzy  

[NineLine]

Sorry, I had to remove that post by Viper, at some point, I have to draw the line at completely outlandish theories. People come here for official news, some things just skew the truth much MUCH too hard. Please save the wild theories no matter what side you feel you are on. 

53 minutes ago, Citizen said:

Mizzy, you're a named and credited contributor to ED.

Stop now, a lot of people got their names in ED materials over the years for testing or some other welcomed task, doesn't mean she is on the payroll as an ED operative, I think she would be the first to admit she is lousy at it

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

I think she would be the first to admit she is lousy at it

Come on, you must have known I am going to respond to this. I admit nothing, in fact I would be a brilliant moderator telling some people where to stick their heads when they are talking out of their.. Well, maybe it's not a good idea for me being a moderator, I will leave it at that.  

Greetings

Mizzy

[Oban]

1 hour ago, Vortexstate said:

Nice PFP.

I'm not a fanboy, and I don't support RAZBAM or ED. Quite simple as that. 

Also, there's no proof or further elaboration from ED or RAZBAM on what exactly they did to break that contract. I haven't seen RAZBAM or ED expand on this, but that's just from what I haven't seen. There might be explanation out there. All we can do is speculate, and I've incorporated just a bit of that into some of my messages, or at least the way I view the situation as of now.

LOL, you're backpeddling faster than an Italian tank during WWII

You're far from being neutral or impartial Vortex, you were swinging that baseball bat against ED like a Dervish only a couple of pages back.

 

[Citizen]

17 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

Being generous, say it was a 50/50 split which is highly unlikely they would have to generate $2 million of income for them to get $1 million each, at full price of $79.99 that would require 25,002 modules to be sold in 2023, that’s 68 a day, every day of the year.

I believe standard is 30% but it's impossible to know what RBs is without the contract.

There's also the steam share to consider.

We do know how many people have reviewed the F-15E module on Steam.  There's a pretty good formula for extrapolating steam reviews to total number of sales:
https://vginsights.com/insights/article/further-analysis-into-steam-reviews-to-sales-ratio-how-to-estimate-video-game-sales
From there, given that steam makes up approx. 1/3rd of module sales, you can get a very ballpark figure of total number of copies sold.

30k copies sold is within the margins of error.

[Oban]

10 minutes ago, Vortexstate said:

THIS is what I mean hostile. I'm not backpedaling, I'm simply discussing and stating my opinion. You sound like some villain out of a comic, take a chill pill. 

You fail to understand that I'm calling multiple people hostile, not you.

According to RAZBAM, they would've made around there for the 2023 sales. 

ROFLMFAO   Oh if I was hostile, you'd know

To be honest, I don't get why folks get so hostile over soemthing they have no control over, none of them are stakeholders, nor shareholders in either company, not one person in this forum sit on the board of directors of this shyt show, and nobody escapes criticism either.

Both parties have hurth their causes and their customer base

 

[MAXsenna]

Some "leaks" on social media fuels the speculation about numbers of sold SE licenses. That gives these guys the numbers.

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[Mizzy]

2 hours ago, Vortexstate said:

The ego is crazy

You obviously aren't capable of having a civil discussion with people that have opposing views from you. 

Please if you don't mind, it has been moderated my involvement in DCS, so please leave that subject alone now. I will reverse your statement, You obviously aren't capable of having a civil discussion with people that have opposing views from you ! Do you understand no matter who tells you anything opposing your mindset, the chances of you listening to those opposing opinions is zero. Your ego is crazy. 

Mizzy

 

[TKhaos]

1 hour ago, Vortexstate said:

You fail to understand that I'm calling multiple people hostile, not you.

Maybe I would have understood better if you didn't quote something I said followed by a reference to everyone else

Edited September 8, 2024 by TKhaos

[Mizzy]

28 minutes ago, Oban said:

ROFLMFAO   Oh if I was hostile, you'd know

To be honest, I don't get why folks get so hostile over soemthing they have no control over, none of them are stakeholders, nor shareholders in either company, not one person in this forum sit on the board of directors of this shyt show, and nobody escapes criticism either.

Both parties have hurth their causes and their customer base

 

Indeed, it is obvious who needs a "chill pill" 

Mizzy

[Citizen]

8 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

It's hard to imagine so many sales when on Steam alone around 70% of the reviews are negative advising people not to buy it, then you got all the other places doing the same that come up on search engines.

I operate under the assumption that the spike in reviews after RBs announcement fall outside the expectations of that formula.  Certainly that site doesn't seem to give any account for controversy reviews.  You can breakdown reviews by date which allows you to cull the problem data.

I won't assume ED takes 50% since that's nowhere near industry standard.  Taking a 30% cut is in line with industry standard.

30k copies sold in 2023 is within the expected range.

3 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

Bearing in mind they also have the MiG-19P Farmer (2019), AV-8B Harrier (2017), M-2000C (2017) and the South Atlantic map (2022) that have been sold on DCS, Steam and at the time their own website directing sales. This doesn’t include all the gaming and review sites directing sales.

If we utilize steam reviews as a starting point, we see that the F-15E was likely *by far* RBs best selling product.  I don't think they came anywhere near 5m for all previous products put together.  This does not and cannot include income from professional contracts like MCS.

[Mizzy]

4 minutes ago, Citizen said:

30k copies sold in 2023 is within the expected range.

Actually 20% is the usual for commission, or it was the last time I checked.

[Pipe]

On 9/4/2024 at 1:25 PM, JuiceIsLoose said:

MIzzy has brought this up numerous times. I do not see any comments from you about not discussing this because it is off topic?

There are comments from Mizzy in this thread: "The other guy comes up with rumour exclusively and tries to pass it on as factual evidence (lol) and his arguments are worth as much as a piece of paper thrown down the toilet."

I bring up statements from other sources, and have never claimed them as facts or evidence. Yet, when MIzzy makes comment there is no backlash about this being offtopic?

However, when I ask simple for the source of her statement it is off topic?

She’s untouchable, and held to a different standard than the rest of us…

[NineLine]

26 minutes ago, Pipe said:

She’s untouchable, and held to a different standard than the rest of us…

That is simply not true, no one sees each other's warnings or infractions here, nor do you see posts that have been hidden. If you feel something has been posted that is unfair or breaks the rules, use the report post function, otherwise its not up for discussion or debate. 

5 hours ago, Mizzy said:

Indeed, it is obvious who needs a "chill pill" 

Mizzy

Probably all of us need one these days

3 hours ago, Vortexstate said:

I've literally been discussing to you, a person with opposing views, for some time. I clearly am capable of it lol

This is a forum, your "if I was hostile" is just cringe.

I agree with that last part. I hope this gets resolved soon

This thread was built on cringe, it needs cringe to survive, it eats well

[FlyHack]

13 часов назад, NineLine сказал:

People come here for official news

And there are no new ones there.

[Nightdare]

12 hours ago, Vortexstate said:

The evidence is that they clearly haven't been paid, and I'm not saying they're in the right, or that they didn't break some legal contract or something like that.

 

...but how hard is it for you to understand that you cannot simply withhold payment for work done without getting into legal troubles?

Try this in court:

RB: "ED hasn't paid us for work done in over a year"

Judge: "Is this true"

ED: "Yep!"

Judge: "Why?"

ED: "No reason"

If the issue was as clear cut as that, all RB had to do was send their lawyer over to ED with an ultimatum, no need to use F-15 development as leverage, and it being such a simple matter, would not advance to a court because ED would 100% lose the case, so settling is the only option

Instead, ED has been (in the eyes of their detractors) 'getting away' with not paying RB for 'ages' and RB

You said it yourself:

Quote

"They would've gotten around 7 figures from the F-15E Strike Eagle in 2023."

7 Figures?!?

If I was RB, I'd be going after that money like a Junkie after your car stereo for his fix, even if this would kill ED

Because if ED won't give me that amount , I know if I don't act, I'll be missing a crapload of money owed and have to close my doors, if ED can't pay, I know if I don't act, I'll be out work and money owed and go out with them, so I'll better take what I can get and try to find other ventures

But RB isn't doing that, are they?

If they are so much in their 'right' and are missing out on millions, losing their developers, slowly going down the drain, why not?

Think about that before you again start arguing at our 'defense' of ED

[Viper33]

17 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Why wouldn't it be true? You need to blame Razbam for taking them out of EA. That's the current state really.
I have no clue how long you've been playing DCS or been lurking in the forums, while it's not that many years ago Razbam where Razbam received a lot of heat for doing it. Remember? Pretty much the only goodwill they have worked up now is due to the recent updates to the Mirage and the release of the SE. People have such short memories.
Cheers!

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When have they taken the F-15E out of EA? I only own the F-15E, nothing else. And this thing has just come out in EA and won't receive any roadmap items that it was advertised with at this point. Don't try to twist my words and bring up old, completely unrelated issues. You're just delusitonal at this point.

15 hours ago, NineLine said:

Sorry, I had to remove that post by Viper, at some point, I have to draw the line at completely outlandish theories. People come here for official news, some things just skew the truth much MUCH too hard. Please save the wild theories no matter what side you feel you are on. 

Please elaborate.

[Viper33]

11 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Some "leaks" on social media fuels the speculation about numbers of sold SE licenses. That gives these guys the numbers.

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The numbers come from Ron and the developers. All of these leaks and very real and valid, whether you like it or not.  Obviously they won't disclose who exactly. So far ED is the sole party that has not provided ANY official statement or proof/receipts that prove the dispute being justified. Unless I have completely missed something in which case please provide the evidence and official statements by ED. 

[Oban]

18 minutes ago, Viper33 said:

When have they taken the F-15E out of EA? I only own the F-15E, nothing else. And this thing has just come out in EA and won't receive any roadmap items that it was advertised with at this point. Don't try to twist my words and bring up old, completely unrelated issues. You're just delusitonal at this point.

Please elaborate.

You make accusations about twisting words when your clearly doing the same ! 
 

he was clearly talking about the other RB modules being out of EA, and not the F15E