waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

23 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

Gosh, I'm slightly flattered you have taken all that time to read my posts and you presumed I had nothing else to do 

Anyway, my screenshot example of Razbam's discord is, zambrano clearly does not care what people post despite being in litigation with ED, that is very unprofessional. Stop making up your own interpretations of what I post, it's rude to say the least. I think it's best we ignore each other now, you have had your go at me with somewhat derogatory intent, but I am sure you have other things to do now, but I wouldn't like to bet on it !

Best wishes

Mizzy

Zambrano is not real, Zambrano cannot hurt you. 

[LorenLuke]

6 hours ago, negrete said:

I know we have to wait for a resolution but in my personal opinion once a divorce is on the way and things go to lawyers and courts the situation is not going to be good. And if Razbam wins ED is not going to just bring them back in like best friends, or if ED wins, Razbam is going to probably finish the modules or what is mandatory and bail out slowly. Disclaimer "Personal opinion".

Whether the divorce is inevitable, at least the courts can enforce that the losing party pays child support so the kiddos get the Christmas gift they were promised by one of the parents.

If the contract is for a finished F-15E, I'm sure it'll be enforced after the courts decide.

[AndyJWest]

2 hours ago, LorenLuke said:

Whether the divorce is inevitable, at least the courts can enforce that the losing party pays child support so the kiddos get the Christmas gift they were promised by one of the parents.

If the contract is for a finished F-15E, I'm sure it'll be enforced after the courts decide.

You seem to have a very strange take on how courts settle civil litigation over contract disputes. 

[Oban]

4 hours ago, negrete said:

If read the first post, but it says nothing. Lots of words but really nothing, if everything is confidential as they say, have the legal team of ED publish a letter of why its like this, and close this speculation. And if you add an aprox timeline then people will know, and wait, at least some.

As a client being afected by all these issue we should be allowed to know at least some sort of timeline when this is going to be resolved even if its a wild guess, 5 years, 6 years, or maybe even more. Dont say its a firm date and it could changed, but at least know how much time aprox.

Cause if this is going to court they should have a aproximate time line. But we are normally just numbers and money so I dont expect nothing.

You're not a client, you're a customer, nothing more, nothing less

[Horns]

8 hours ago, negrete said:

If read the first post, but it says nothing. Lots of words but really nothing, if everything is confidential as they say, have the legal team of ED publish a letter of why its like this, and close this speculation. And if you add an aprox timeline then people will know, and wait, at least some.

As a client being afected by all these issue we should be allowed to know at least some sort of timeline when this is going to be resolved even if its a wild guess, 5 years, 6 years, or maybe even more. Dont say its a firm date and it could changed, but at least know how much time aprox.

Cause if this is going to court they should have a aproximate time line. But we are normally just numbers and money so I dont expect nothing.

ED haven't said they can't comment, but that they won't comment. It doesn't take any great feat of logical extension to realize that they won't comment on why they won't comment.

The closest thing to a letter from the legal team on why the situation is like this (from ED's perspective) we're going to get is the official ED comment in the OP.

[Nightdare]

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

You seem to have a very strange take on how courts settle civil litigation over contract disputes. 

Well, divorce courts are about breaking up a contract 

 

And being court-ordered to finish a job isn't out of the realm of possibilities

[BIGNEWY]

To discuss contracts or break NDA's in public is irresponsible and unprofessional. As mentioned before when we have a resolution to share we will all let you know. We all hope for a good outcome. 

Thank you 

[AndyJWest]

1 hour ago, Nightdare said:

And being court-ordered to finish a job isn't out of the realm of possibilities

Yeah, sure, the court is going to send bailiffs round to watch over the developers shoulders. No slacking! You've got two hours to correct the A/G radar side-lobe attenuation modelling before we throw your ass in jail!

That isn't how it works. Contract disputes are redressed through payments from the losing party to the winning party. Assuming there's anything left after the lawyers have their slice.

 

 

[SSP1]

51 минуту назад, BIGNEWY сказал:

Обсуждать контракты или нарушать соглашения о неразглашении на публике безответственно и непрофессионально. Как упоминалось ранее, когда у нас будет решение поделиться, мы все сообщим вам об этом. Мы все надеемся на хороший исход.

Спасибо

Не думаю, что кто-то давно на это надеялся. Глупо ожидать хорошего результата через год. Я не понимаю, почему ED ничего не делает и при этом кладет деньги от продаж модуля себе в карман. Возможно, я купил у них модуль во второй раз, потому что в первый раз мне пришлось возвращать деньги за покупку, но для этого они должны дать мне гарантию, что они закончат модуль за полгода. В возврате денег не сомневаюсь, первый раз мне вернули через несколько дней. Что касается самого модуля с постоянно качающейся головой пилота, то я попросил Чижа исправить этот недостаток, но он сказал, что без разрешения RAZBAM в его модуле ковыряться не будут.

[BIGNEWY]

11 minutes ago, SSP1 said:

Не думаю, что кто-то давно на это надеялся. Глупо ожидать хорошего результата через год. Я не понимаю, почему ED ничего не делает и при этом кладет деньги от продаж модуля себе в карман. Возможно, я купил у них модуль во второй раз, потому что в первый раз мне пришлось возвращать деньги за покупку, но для этого они должны дать мне гарантию, что они закончат модуль за полгода. В возврате денег не сомневаюсь, первый раз мне вернули через несколько дней. Что касается самого модуля с постоянно качающейся головой пилота, то я попросил Чижа исправить этот недостаток, но он сказал, что без разрешения RAZBAM в его модуле ковыряться не будут.

Правильно, мы не можем вносить никаких изменений, нам остается только ждать RAZBAM.

Спасибо

[SSP1]

2 минуты назад, BIGNEWY сказал:

Правильно, мы не можем вносить никаких изменений, нам остается только ждать RAZBAM.

Спасибо

 

18 минут назад, BIGNEWY сказал:

Правильно, мы не можем вносить никаких изменений, нам остается только ждать RAZBAM.

Спасибо

That's the whole point, RAZBAM can put sticks in the wheels for as long as it takes, and ED doesn't really want to put pressure on him and force him to finish the module, the money from the sales of this shortfall flows into ED's pocket. By the way, RAZBAM has reduced the price of the module by 1500 rubles again, now it has become the same as it was in 2024 when I bought the F-15E for the first time. As far as I can see, it's easier to wait for the release of the F-35 from ED in 2026.

[MAXsenna]

12 hours ago, LorenLuke said:

at least the courts can enforce that the losing party pays child support so the kiddos get the Christmas gift they were promised by one of the parents.

Sweet summer child! That's not how it works. You can never trust the "winning" party to ever spend a nickel on the child/children.

So what's preventing Razbam to just walk away after they have come to an agreement? 

2 hours ago, Nightdare said:

divorce courts are about breaking up a contract 

Which contract? Happily ever after?  

Edited February 17 by MAXsenna

[MAXsenna]

29 minutes ago, SSP1 said:

RAZBAM has reduced the price of the module by 1500 rubles again, now it has become the same as it was in 2024 when I bought the F-15E for the first time.

How? Razbam? It's sold through ED in the store or through Steam. And the Early Access price have never to my knowledge except for a few pricing  mishaps on Steam. 

Btw. Could you please change your text color to auto as black is hard for the eyes in Dark Mode.

Cheers! 

[SSP1]

12 минут назад, MAXsenna сказал:

Как? Разбам? Он продается через ED в магазине или через Steam. И цена в раннем доступе, насколько мне известно, никогда не была, за исключением нескольких неудачных ценовых ошибок в Steam.

Кстати, не могли бы вы изменить цвет текста на авто, так как черный цвет тяжело воспринимается глазами в темном режиме.

Cheers! 

It is sold both ways, and the money from the sales, of course, goes to ED. And they have early access all the time, my F-16 is still listed in early access. I do not know where the text color changes.

[MAXsenna]

3 minutes ago, SSP1 said:

It is sold both ways, and the money from the sales, of course, goes to ED. And they have early access all the time, my F-16 is still listed in early access. I do not know where the text color changes.

Of course it's sold both in the Store and on Steam. It has never been on sale, so Razbam has not changed the price ever, that's my point. (Apart from the preorder price). Yeah, the F-16 is in EA and has been on sale, because ED chooses so with their own modules. They can't do that with the Razbam modules, that's why they don't go on sale anymore. And obviously Razbam won't change the price for some of the same reasons. 

You change to color in the menu above the text field. For me it's an "A", then choose automatic. 

[SSP1]

2 минуты назад, MAXsenna сказал:

Конечно, она продается как в Магазине, так и в Steam. Его никогда не было в продаже, поэтому Razbam никогда не менял цену, это моя точка зрения. (Помимо цены предзаказа). Ага, F-16 есть в EA и уже был в продаже, потому что ED так выбирает со своими модулями. С модулями Razbam этого сделать не могут, поэтому они больше не поступают в продажу. И, очевидно, Razbam не будет менять цену по тем же причинам.

Вы можете изменить цвет в меню над текстовым полем. Для меня это "А", тогда выбирайте автомат.

По-моему, вы не понимаете о чем мне тут пишете, я вам нигде не рассказывал про ограбление, с ним все понятно после того, как он ушел в свободное плавание. Так зачем вы спорите?

[MAXsenna]

3 minutes ago, SSP1 said:

По-моему, вы не понимаете о чем мне тут пишете, я вам нигде не рассказывал про ограбление, с ним все понятно после того, как он ушел в свободное плавание. Так зачем вы спорите?

Sorry, don't understand, on my cell and Chrome wouldn't translate. This is the International/English part of the forum.  

[BIGNEWY]

11 minutes ago, SSP1 said:

По-моему, вы не понимаете о чем мне тут пишете, я вам нигде не рассказывал про ограбление, с ним все понятно после того, как он ушел в свободное плавание. Так зачем вы спорите?

Товарищ, давайте не будем ходить туда-сюда, вы высказали свои мысли, теперь все, что нам остается, это ждать решения. Когда мы сможем поделиться новыми новостями, мы это сделаем.
Возможно, лучше придерживаться английского здесь.
Спасибо

[SSP1]

3 минуты назад, MAXsenna сказал:

8 минут назад, MAXsenna сказал:

Sorry, don't understand, on my cell and Chrome wouldn't translate. This is the International/English part of the forum.  

 

Не важно, какая это часть форума. И давайте подведем итоги, сейчас меня больше интересует переписка с другим участником этого форума, а вы мне мешаете.

1 минуту назад, BIGNEWY сказал:

Товарищ, давайте не будем ходить туда-сюда, вы высказали свои мысли, теперь все, что нам остается, это ждать решения. Когда мы сможем поделиться новыми новостями, мы это сделаем.
Возможно, лучше придерживаться английского здесь.
Спасибо

I don't speak English.

[BIGNEWY]

3 minutes ago, SSP1 said:

It doesn't matter what part of the forum it is. And let's sum it up, right now I'm more interested in correspondence with another member of this forum, and you're bothering me.

I don't speak English.

Я тоже не очень хорошо говорю по-русски. Но спорами тут ничего не решишь.

[SSP1]

1 минуту назад, BIGNEWY сказал:

Я тоже не очень хорошо говорю по-русски. Но спорами тут ничего не решишь.

Well, that's good, let's not argue.

[bfr]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

How? Razbam? It's sold through ED in the store or through Steam. And the Early Access price have never to my knowledge except for a few pricing  mishaps on Steam. 

Btw. Could you please change your text color to auto as black is hard for the eyes in Dark Mode.

Cheers! 

Yeah, the Razbam modules weren't reduced in any of the ED sales for months even before the dispute went fully public and tools were downed, and they haven't been reduced in sales since.

As you said in a later post, sale participation for 3rd party modules is up to 3rd party (e.g. Aerges have deemed thus far that the Mirage F1 has never seen a sale reduction either)

[Nightdare]

3 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Yeah, sure, the court is going to send bailiffs round to watch over the developers shoulders. No slacking! You've got two hours to correct the A/G radar side-lobe attenuation modelling before we throw your ass in jail!

 

Yeah, I'm sure a court has no care for nuance or reality in a verdict

 

3 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

That isn't how it works. Contract disputes are redressed through payments from the losing party to the winning party. Assuming there's anything left after the lawyers have their slice.

 

Not every dispute ends in payment, it may if the losing party still isn't able to fulfill obligations, but courts can decide to force a company to fulfill the contract before resorting to monetary penalties for non-compliance

 

 

 

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Which contract? Happily ever after?  

 

What? ...you don't know what a marriage contract is? 

[AndyJWest]

1 minute ago, Nightdare said:

Not every dispute ends in payment, it may if the losing party still isn't able to fulfill obligations, but courts can decide to force a company to fulfill the contract before resorting to monetary penalties for non-compliance

Not going to happen. Courts want closure. They don't set themselves up to have to chase up software developers half way across the world in order to engage in ongoing disputes about what exactly 'fulfilling the contract' would mean. Not that they can chase the actual people behind the code anyway, since they aren't party to the contract. They were employed or more likely subcontracted by RazBam. They could simply say 'no'. And RazBam would clearly struggle to find anyone with requisite experience to take over under such circumstances.

This is all hypothetical anyway. We don't know what was actually in the contract(s). We don't know (beyond vague statements about IP) what ED claims was done in breach of contract. Or what they are asking for in reparation. We don't know what exactly RB is claiming they are owed. As of now, there is no court case. ED and RB are hopefully negotiating, to avoid one. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Horns]

3 hours ago, SSP1 said:

Не важно, какая это часть форума. И давайте подведем итоги, сейчас меня больше интересует переписка с другим участником этого форума, а вы мне мешаете.

I don't speak English.

If you're going to post in Russian, post in the Russian forum.