F-86K

[Xilon_x]

 

and my wish in DCS who remembers it? in Italy we called it K. KAPPONE

[Gunfreak]

Norway also used the K model

[upyr1]

3 hours ago, Xilon_x said:

and my wish in DCS who remembers it? in Italy we called it K. KAPPONE

the Dog sabre would be awesome. Seeing the Italian nickname was Kappone I hope someone does a livery with Al.

[Kang]

Seeing how much love the existing F-86 gets lately I don't have much hope. But it might be interesting indeed.
Quick question for the more knowledgeable: is the 86K significantly different from the 86D?

[Xilon_x]

dalle testimonianze dei piloti dell'Aeronautica Militare Italiana si diceva che l'f86d era molto più agile dell'esse 86k il cappone tuttavia l'f86k era capace di volare in condizioni atmosferiche avverse più difficili dell'86d quindi c'erano anche questi piccoli avversità tra chi indossava l'f86 K e il f86 d

 

Edited May 22, 2024 by Xilon_x

[Silver_Dragon]

My data about the F-86D/K/L:

F-86D Sabre Interceptor
Man Rtng: 3.0/2.0 Damage Value: 18
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Manual
Sensors: APG-37 radar

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 480 600 --
Med: 480 566 --
High: 480 530 --
Ceiling: 15125 m Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 530 nmi Int Fuel: 1865 kg
Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
120 USG drop tank 370 kg 150 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 905 kg
Off Guns: 24 2.75 inch FFAR
• 2 drop tanks
• 2 drop tanks, 2 AIM-9B Sidewinder (some export only)

Remarks: In Svc: Apr 53 - Jun 61
Flown by ADC Apr 53 - Apr 58, then ANG mid 59 - Jun 61. First 35 had APG-36 radar with E-3 FCS APG-37 radar with E-4 FCS. E-4 FC allowed rear or beam aspect attacks.
• 1956 - 60: Converted to F-86L, see separate entry.

F-86K Sabre Fighter
Man Rtng: 3.5/2.0 Damage Value: 18
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Ballistic
Sensors: APG-37 radar

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 480 530 600
Med: 480 550 590
High: 480 500 540
Ceiling: 14070 m Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 510 nmi Int Fuel: 1865 kg
Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
120 USG drop tank 370 kg 145 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 1390 kg
Offensive Guns: 4 M24 20 mm (2.6)
• 2 120 USG drop tanks
• 2 AIM-9B Sidewinder, 2 120 USG drop tanks

Remarks: In Svc: Export
“NATO Sabre.” Simplified version for NATO with all-weather interceptor requirement. Served with France, Germany, Honduras, Italy, Netherlands, Norway and Venezuela, starting in 1955.

F-86L Sabre Fighter
Man Rtng: 3.5/2.0 Damage Value: 17
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Ballistic
Sensors: APG-30 range-only radar, SAGE data link

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 480 530 600
Med: 480 545 585
High: 480 500 540
Ceiling: 15080 m Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 510 nmi Int Fuel: 1870 kg
Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
120 USG drop tank 370 kg 145 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 1200 kg
Off Guns: 24 2.75 inch FFAR
• 2 120 USG drop tanks

Remarks: In Svc: Oct 56 - mid 65
Have 6-3 wing with wing tip extensions for improved agility. Flown by ADC until Jun 60. Flown by Air National Guard units during early 1959 - mid-65. Units on alert during Cuban Missile Crisis.

[Mig Fulcrum]

Il 22/5/2024 at 00:06, Kang ha scritto:

Seeing how much love the existing F-86 gets lately I don't have much hope. But it might be interesting indeed.
Quick question for the more knowledgeable: is the 86K significantly different from the 86D?

Basically The F-86D was armed with A-A rockets only, the US considered the ranging computer and sight too advanced and classified to be exported so they made the K, which is a D with the entire rocket system removed in favor of a more traditional 4x20mm cannons

11 ore fa, Xilon_x ha scritto:

dalle testimonianze dei piloti dell'Aeronautica Militare Italiana si diceva che l'f86d era molto più agile dell'esse 86k il cappone tuttavia l'f86k era capace di volare in condizioni atmosferiche avverse più difficili dell'86d quindi c'erano anche questi piccoli avversità tra chi indossava l'f86 K e il f86 d

 

 

I think you were meaning the F-86E vs F-86K, not D vs K, since Italy only got E and K.

Sabredog and Kappone should perform equally

[Andrew8604]

I'd prefer the 86D or maybe L.  But it will pretty much be an interceptor of bombers...and that's about it.  I'd still buy it as a DCS Module.  It wouldn't be a money-maker, but maybe better than the I-16.    Would probably need to be a two-module project...D variant and K variant.

 

[Kang]

On 5/26/2024 at 2:11 AM, Andrew8604 said:

I'd prefer the 86D or maybe L.  But it will pretty much be an interceptor of bombers...and that's about it.  I'd still buy it as a DCS Module.  It wouldn't be a money-maker, but maybe better than the I-16.    Would probably need to be a two-module project...D variant and K variant.

Frankly I doubt there is a market for selling both of those separately.

[Andrew8604]

15 hours ago, Kang said:

Frankly I doubt there is a market for selling both of those separately.

I think you're right.  They would have to go as a double-package.  And probably have to be done by a team that was making the module, because they wanted the module in DCS.  The market would be small.  Or, as a mod at least at the level of the A-4E-C.  ED could probably make it as a variation on their F-86F.  Lots of commonality.  Just adding the radar and I think take away the A-4 Gunsight.  Maybe the radar could be like Heatblur's F-4E radar, but much simpler.  A B-scan search mode and a targeting mode for firing the 24 Mighty-Mouse rockets, I think.  It has an afterburner, all-moving tailplane and wing slats.  That would be the D.  The K would probably be elimination of the rockets and add 4 20mm cannons, and maybe keep the A-4 sight?  The 3D model would have lots of changes, but the systems should be pretty close to the same, I think.  Maybe for 2029.

Maybe it could be part of an "Interceptors" package...with F-86D/K, F-89J Scorpion, F-102A Delta Dart, CF-100 Canuck, F-101B Voodoo and maybe Su-11 (sort of like Flaming Cliffs, but full fidelity modules with clickable cockpits).   Probably not.  There are no MFD's in any of these aircraft, so no one would buy them. 

[Xilon_x]

 

the entire Italian sims community would buy it, I would also buy it........as for the rest of the world, I don't know.

[Mig Fulcrum]

I don't really think the entire italian community would buy it, it's not like the 104 which was isued for more then 40 years and is loved by everyone italy. Many italians don't even know we used the F-86K

But it is for sure an interesting aircraft

Edited May 30, 2024 by Mig Fulcrum