Tnt Snipes Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 does Black Shark has Auto Counter Measures system i.e. when warning system detects the missile launch it automatically starts dispensing flares... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Nope, this particular version does not have the missile warning system. The flares are meant to be used in a proactive, rather than reactive, manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Unfortunetely that verion Ka-50 is poor (however it has LCD Abris...), so u have to use it to prevent. After enter to enemy zone try set to drop flare dispencer or do it manually from time to ime (I don't mean 1 flare per minute :P but 1 per few seconds or shorter). In a group example 4 helis it is easier cos you have 4 x more flares. Then u can fly close eachother and only one or two pilots can drop flares and that guard 4 helis. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnt Snipes Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 if you see on the counter measures panel, just below the stop and start buttons you'll see two imprinted lines... 0** continuous 99* autocontr e.g. if you set "0--" value in the start of your counter measure sequence the flares will dispense continuously, similarly if you sequence has "99-" in the beginning it should auto counter when a missile launch is detected... am i right or wrong...? but the sequence only goes up to 8-- in the first column of the sequence setting... any idea... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 watch the Producer note on CM's The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugenjin Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 The first number depicts the cycles, the second number how many flares will be ejected each cycle and the last number is the time in seconds between cycles. There are 2 notable exceptions though. if the first digit is set to 5 or 7 the actual cycle quantity is 12 resp. 15. 0 equals continuous release. And if the third digit is 7, 9 or 0 the actual time between releases is 0.25; 0,5; 0,125 seconds. The program, i.e. the three digits, only help the pilot to reduce his attention needed for the release of flares in a preprogrammed fashion. The system is solely programmed through the pilot's input, it's not linked with the laser warning receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug88 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) if you see on the counter measures panel, just below the stop and start buttons you'll see two imprinted lines... 0** continuous 99* autocontr e.g. if you set "0--" value in the start of your counter measure sequence the flares will dispense continuously, similarly if you sequence has "99-" in the beginning it should auto counter when a missile launch is detected... am i right or wrong...? but the sequence only goes up to 8-- in the first column of the sequence setting... any idea... The Ka-50 cannot detect missiles. Hence, there is no such thing as automatic flare release. The 99- setting is a maintenance setting for use by the ground crew. It does not stand for auto counter. Again, there isn't a system that can detect IR missiles in the first place. You may be confused by the LWS, laser warning reciever, which can pick up a ranging/designating laser. In almost all cases, however, there is no lasing associated with IR missile targeting, therefore it would be senseless to link the flare dispenser to the LWS. If you hear the "Under Attack" warning from the LWS, it usually means a tank is ranging you and getting ready to fire its main gun. Edited May 3, 2009 by slug88 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 .....In almost all cases, however, there is no lasing associated with IR missile targeting, therefore it would be senseless to link the flare dispenser to the LWS. If you hear the "Under Attack" warning from the LWS, it usually means a tank is ranging you and getting ready to fire its main gun. Almost but not quite.......;) A often-encountered nuisance on the Virtual Battlefield, our wee friend the M1097 Avenger, utilises amongst other sensors, a Laser Rangefinder........and trust me when I say that you do indeed get a warning of your impending doom! That said, the warning is usually very closely followed by the Devil-Dart itself, so if like me the warning takes a wee while to process effectively then you're walking home.........If however you are lucid enough to timeously spam flares then your chances of blisters due to ineffective/worn out LPC's are effectively reduced. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug88 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Yes, another exception is the M6 Linebacker, IIRC. I don't know of any such exceptions for Eastern Bloc hardware, however. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I believe that the 99X setting is the automatic flare dispense mode but while the flare system can accept automatic prompting from a warning system, no such warning system is installed in the Ka-50 so the function is not there. It's like if there's an option CD player addon for your car but you didn't get that option. The radio head unit will have a "CD" button but it doesn't work because the required component isn't there. And there are most assuredly missile warning systems, just not on the Ka-50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnt Snipes Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 I believe that the 99X setting is the automatic flare dispense mode but while the flare system can accept automatic prompting from a warning system, no such warning system is installed in the Ka-50 so the function is not there. It's like if there's an option CD player addon for your car but you didn't get that option. The radio head unit will have a "CD" button but it doesn't work because the required component isn't there. And there are most assuredly missile warning systems, just not on the Ka-50. i think that is the case that you have just mentioned... even if you see in chapter 7 of the manual... i think its on page 4... in the General Guidelines "when approaching the (FEBA) in pt.4. Activate UV-26 automatic flare dispensing program. use a pogram suitable to the suspected air defense types... why it says automatic when the pilot has to do it manually... the 0XX function gives a continuous dispense... hence 99X should give the automatic dispense of self programed function... but as you say its absent... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilBivol-1 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 As mentioned above, the 99X setting is for "Autocontrol", meaning built-in test. It is not an automatic activation setting. Such functionality might be possible in general, but is not used on the Ka-50. At least, not according to anything provided to ED. why it says automatic when the pilot has to do it manually...Because the UV-26 fires the flares automatically. The pilot only has to initiate and end the sequence. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnt Snipes Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 As mentioned above, the 99X setting is for "Autocontrol", meaning built-in test. It is not an automatic activation setting. Such functionality might be possible in general, but is not used on the Ka-50. At least, not according to anything provided to ED. Because the UV-26 fires the flares automatically. The pilot only has to initiate and end the sequence. Got It... :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG14_Smil Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 if the LWS can light a light when a laser is painting the helo, it could start an auto routine. Just making a point. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 if the LWS can light a light when a laser is painting the helo, it could start an auto routine. Just making a point. :) Yes it could be done but what good is it? If you are getting lased it most likely indicates that you are either being shot at with ballistic projectiles or with optically controlled missiles. Flares will do no good against those. If you are up against a Linebacker or whatever laser equipped IR SAM, you should be made aware by the briefing and act accordingly. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnt Snipes Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 if the LWS can light a light when a laser is painting the helo, it could start an auto routine. Just making a point. :) what happened once that the an avenger was painting my helo ran out of missiles, the LWS kept on warning me even after resetting it... Reason: i was locked even though he had no missles... so that way you will waste your flares... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts