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14 hours ago, YoYo said:

What does it mean Module, not mod in this situation? It will be part of free DCS World like F-51 and Su-25T?

Notice that Veco istn 3th parties developer as well, so ED will take this model and will give it as free module in official way?

Our T-38A is NOT an official Eagle Dynamics or 3rd Party module. We initially referred to it as a 'Community Module' because it is a standalone aircraft, but we understand that this might have caused some confusion. So, it's a mod similar to the A-4E or the UH-60L and will not be within the official ED store or included in the core simulator.

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Sorry, but these two are the only ones digitalized. I flew again at Sheppard in 2018 but with the T-38C and the jets then had different paint schemes in blue and white. I've already sent pics of these to the team who develops the T-38C mod.

These are in 36x24cm/96dpi downsized to 250 KB for web use. If You want them in high resolution (30x45cm/300dpi) just contact me.

 

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2 hours ago, MiGCap1 said:

Sorry, but these two are the only ones digitalized. I flew again at Sheppard in 2018 but with the T-38C and the jets then had different paint schemes in blue and white. I've already sent pics of these to the team who develops the T-38C mod.

These are in 36x24cm/96dpi downsized to 250 KB for web use. If You want them in high resolution (30x45cm/300dpi) just contact me.

 

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there is another team who is doing T-38C?

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21 hours ago, YoYo said:

What does it mean Module, not mod in this situation? It will be part of free DCS World like F-51 and Su-25T?

Notice that Veco istn 3th parties developer as well, so ED will take this model and will give it as free module in official way?

Yeah that's a confusing thing, isn't it? Mod can mean modification, but it also means Module, since the installs for ED aircraft go in the Mod folder. ED has nothing to do with this. This will be an aircraft that you download for free (probably donation) and put in your User > Saved Games folder, like the other community aircraft i.e. the Black Hawk, A-4, C-130, OV-10, and so on.

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Dev Update 1: Systems and Flight Model

 

The EFM is responsible for the simulation of the flight dynamic model, engine model and aircraft systems. In early 2022 we started the development of the unique modular EFM framework that is used by the T-38A. It is specifically designed for the simulation of different aircraft types, providing dedicated simulation models for various engine concepts. Using this framework as a foundation, we've already completed different aircraft in the past 2 years:

  • Two variants of a supersonic light fighter jet that is privately operated by the Virtual Turkish Stars.
  • A high-performance turboprop trainer that is privately operated by the Virtual Silver Falcons.
  • A piston engine light utility aircraft that is internally used as an initial testbed for new features.

Within the framework, the aircraft is simulated by combining numerous logical components. Each component has its state and is responsible for a dedicated functionality. It reacts to environmental conditions and user input, triggers corresponding animations and most importantly simulates its behaviour.

Each component is self-contained and can be reconfigured for the particular use case. This approach allows us to reuse many of the common components shared across the different aircraft, greatly increasing the fidelity of the implementation with each iteration. 

Flight Dynamic Model

The flight dynamic is defined by over 25 stability and control derivatives. For the T-38A we’re using derivatives in non-linear form that take into account the angle of attack and the effect of Mach. These coefficients have been accumulated from various sources:

  • Manufacturer wind tunnel tests
  • U.S. Air Force flight tests
  • Empirical estimations based on the aircraft geometry
  • CFD analysis

To make sure the flight dynamics closely match that of a production aircraft, we're using the results from U.S. Air Force stability and control tests and the handling figures of the flight manual.

In addition, we’ve implemented several characteristical traits of the T-38A, including:

  • The infamous stall characteristics with buffeting and high sink rate.
  • An accurately recreated yaw and pitch damper system with variable gain and interconnected aileron and rudder.
  • Flight controls with authentic deflection curves and variable deflection limits depending on the flight condition.

Throughout the whole development process, extensive flight tests are performed by the Virtual Turkish Stars to identify and iron out any handling discrepancies.

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System Model

To achieve a simulation of the aircraft systems on a near-study level, we’re following the “device and conquer” principle: The different systems are broken down into their elementary components, each individually simulated with a well-defined responsibility without the need to know the overall system state. 

The electric system is correspondingly a combination of numerous switches, circuit breakers, two generators, a battery and a multitude of electric devices as consumers - all connected to two AC and one DC bus. As an example, the 24 Volt battery has a capacity and is either charged or discharged, solely depending on the arriving voltage - regardless of whether it's powered by the generators or the external ground power.

Likewise, the fuel system is comprised of fuel valves, several fuel cells, two boost pumps and - connected via fuel lines - the two jet engines as consumers.

The hydraulic system consists of hydraulic pumps, hydraulic lines and hydraulic actuators like landing gear, gear doors and control surfaces. 

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We are excited to share more in the future! Thank you for your overwhelming support!

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On 7/29/2024 at 5:15 PM, HawaiianRyan said:

It'll be out in two weeks.

🤣🤣

23 hours ago, Copprhead said:

We're aiming for a release in 2025 🫣 

(I expect to regret this response in a few months)

finger crossed 🙂

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Hi everyone. Lead Artist/3D modeler of the Veco Simulations here. I'm copying over this announcement from our Discord server, where we usually post our progress updates:

🚧 Progress Update: Cockpit 3D Model
Today, let's talk about the cockpit 3D model. We’ve made significant strides in refining the internal details, and we're excited to share some new renders showcasing our recent work.

Progress Highlights:
Panels and Instruments: We’ve continued refining the layouts and dimensions of the instrument panels to ensure they’re true to the T-38A's real-life counterparts.
Cockpit Structure: From the canopy frame to internal supports and other details, we’re capturing the intricacies of the T-38A’s cockpit architecture.

What's Next (3D Team):
We're currently working on the structure and details connecting the ejection seat to the cockpit itself, including the moving parts
Keep in mind that everything you see here is still a work in progress, with further refinements to come.

We'll post smaller and more frequent updates like these.
Let us know what you think, and stay tuned for more! ❤️

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On 10/17/2024 at 5:29 PM, Matthew007b said:

Random comment but....

Looking forward to this 🙂  my dad flew T-37's and T-38's at Sheppard Air Force Base right before the Vietnam War. 👍

We appreciate your support! And we aim to not disappoint. 🙂

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1 hour ago, VectorScope said:

Let us know what you think, and stay tuned for more! ❤️


I truly look forward to this Mod, and wish your team all the best. 🙏

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You guys are awesome.

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb VectorScope:


Let us know what you think, and stay tuned for more! ❤️

 

This looks really beautiful so far! 🤩

Can´t wait for the final product.

Always had a spot for the T-38

Keep up your great work! 👍

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5 hours ago, CarloVecchi said:

This looks really beautiful so far! 🤩

Can´t wait for the final product.

Always had a spot for the T-38

Keep up your great work! 👍

 

7 hours ago, Archangel44 said:

You guys are awesome.

🤩

 

12 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:


I truly look forward to this Mod, and wish your team all the best. 🙏

Thanks, friends! Your encouragement is our fuel. It's positively overwhelming to see the support. 😊

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Looking at those WIP shots and the quality of what can be done now never ceases to amaze me. 

We’re lucky to have little teams like yourselves contributing. 🙂

Keep it up, should be good. Cheers

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On 10/24/2024 at 11:46 AM, Slippa said:

Looking at those WIP shots and the quality of what can be done now never ceases to amaze me. 

We’re lucky to have little teams like yourselves contributing. 🙂

Keep it up, should be good. Cheers

Thank you for the support! It means the world to us.

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Thunderbirds are GO!! 

You see, because the USAF Thunderbirds flew these.  😉 Looks like awesome work!  ...like it should be a full Mod-u-le.  Can't wait to fly it!  Thanks a bunch for making this!

Might it be possible after you finish this spot-on T-38, if you have the time and energy, to re-3D-model the Community A-4E Skyhawk mod someday?  ...including one without the electronics hump?  I think its nose and cockpit dimensions are off a bit, the canopy bow too high...as are the main wheels off a bit.

Maybe do a TA-4J Skyhawk (Navy's counterpart to the Talon) and an A-4B (Falklands) and just maybe A-4M (with angle-rate-bombing and TV monitor in place of radar) too?  The Skyhawk's a pretty awesome mod, too.  And an AI "tanker" version of the A-4B and A-4E without hump, using the "buddy tank" store, and see if ED will include them in the AI Tanker inventory?

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