A few issues

[directorguy7]

Very familiar with dcs and A10. Been awhile since I have booted up DCS. Got Tobii eye tracker 5 so figured I see how good it is compared to tracker ir.

 

Back to that in a moment though. I am experiencing a weird issue and not sure if it's a bug or a A10 II thing. It looks like anytime an engine is running and throttle set to idle, the jet tries to enter a engine start cycle (warning panel for it lights up and I can hear it). I can start the jet up, but once an engine gets going I have to leave it at around 10%ish throttle to stop the start cycle from just sticking, preventing the second engine from starting.  Once they both are started I have to keep both on some throttle to keep it out of a start cycle. Anyone have any ideas?

 

Also, for quick and advanced quick mission I can only pick random for season and weather. Did they remove the options on purpose?

 

Lastly anyone have a good tobii profile? It seems like when I center and then look to the side and down, then back forward, and try to look side down or behind me it gives a lot of resistance. I can recenter, and look over again just fine, but any subsequent turns it just seems like it's dynamically messing with sensitivity.

 

I prefer a more quick, sensitive full degrees of freedom and less smoothness so any profiles is greatly appreciated.

Edited July 30, 2024 by directorguy7

[jaylw314]

16 hours ago, directorguy7 said:

Back to that in a moment though. I am experiencing a weird issue and not sure if it's a bug or a A10 II thing. It looks like anytime an engine is running and throttle set to idle, the jet tries to enter a engine start cycle (warning panel for it lights up and I can hear it). I can start the jet up, but once an engine gets going I have to leave it at around 10%ish throttle to stop the start cycle from just sticking, preventing the second engine from starting.  Once they both are started I have to keep both on some throttle to keep it out of a start cycle. Anyone have any ideas?

Start cycle?  AFAIK that only happens (and the light only comes on) when the engines are not running.  If the light comes on when both engines are already running something is off.  FWIW a video clip and/or track would go a long way towards clarifying what's going on

Edited July 30, 2024 by jaylw314

[Yurgon]

21 hours ago, directorguy7 said:

It looks like anytime an engine is running and throttle set to idle, the jet tries to enter a engine start cycle (warning panel for it lights up and I can hear it).

There is a known issue where the engines never fully start when the outside air temperature is too low. It seems like the threshold is somewhere between 0°C and 5°C (with 0°C it fails, with 5°C it works). This sounds a lot like that. Like jaylw314 said, a video or preferably a track would help.

21 hours ago, directorguy7 said:

Also, for quick and advanced quick mission I can only pick random for season and weather. Did they remove the options on purpose?

I've hardly ever tried the quick mission generator. A good long while ago with the introduction of new clouds, dynamic weather was removed for the time being. It's supposed to make a comeback at some point in the future. Is that what you're referring to?

In either case, the current weather presets offer quite some variety and overcast clouds look just stunning, especially from above.

[ASAP]

22 hours ago, directorguy7 said:

Very familiar with dcs and A10. Been awhile since I have booted up DCS. Got Tobii eye tracker 5 so figured I see how good it is compared to tracker ir.

 

Back to that in a moment though. I am experiencing a weird issue and not sure if it's a bug or a A10 II thing. It looks like anytime an engine is running and throttle set to idle, the jet tries to enter a engine start cycle (warning panel for it lights up and I can hear it). I can start the jet up, but once an engine gets going I have to leave it at around 10%ish throttle to stop the start cycle from just sticking, preventing the second engine from starting.  Once they both are started I have to keep both on some throttle to keep it out of a start cycle. Anyone have any ideas?

 

Also, for quick and advanced quick mission I can only pick random for season and weather. Did they remove the options on purpose?

 

Lastly anyone have a good tobii profile? It seems like when I center and then look to the side and down, then back forward, and try to look side down or behind me it gives a lot of resistance. I can recenter, and look over again just fine, but any subsequent turns it just seems like it's dynamically messing with sensitivity.

 

I prefer a more quick, sensitive full degrees of freedom and less smoothness so any profiles is greatly appreciated.

 

In the sim, it's probably a key binding issue if I had to guess. TO start with, check the bindings for the eng operate switch. If they are moved to motor somehow or placed in iGN it would cause the light to come on.

If its an actual airplane issue... If the engine is below a specific RPM (I think it's 56% but I might be wrong), which is well below min idle RPM, and the throttle is placed in idle the start cycle will initiate automatically. what are the engines idling at? That would mean that your engines have some other bigger underlying issue.

Edited July 31, 2024 by ASAP

[Leg2ion]

Go with @Yurgons response. There are a few posts detailing the same issue. 

And yes - you have the workaround - just nudge the throttle levers forward slightly, once you are up and running and then starting to taxi you shouldn't get any repeat issues...

Edited August 11, 2024 by Leg2ion

[Chunk]

I also just experienced this for the first time. Is it marked as a bug, and if so, is it being worked on?

[Yurgon]

6 minutes ago, Chunk said:

I also just experienced this for the first time. Is it marked as a bug, and if so, is it being worked on?

There is a known and reported bug where the A-10's engines fail to start (as in: the ENG START CYCLE light never goes off) when the outside air temperature is at or around 4 or so degrees. Is that what you're experiencing? If so, yes, it's reported, and I'm waiting for a fix as eagerly as you are.

[Antiguedad]

I think this maybe is not a bug. The real plane manual describes this related to temperature and 56% core RPM. Edit. REDACTED.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Antiguedad

[Yurgon]

12 minutes ago, Antiguedad said:

I think this is not a bug.

a) Be mindful of forum rule 1.16!

b) That sounds like a gross misrepresentation of what the manual says. Can you find a reference to the outside air temperature there? Again, be mindful of forum rule 1.16 and don't just post a quote from a manual. If you have evidence, contact a community manager and ask them if it's okay to share your evidence.

Let me make two observations in either case.

First, the DCS A-10 used to be able to start up just fine with cold outside air temperatures in DCS prior to... 2.9.5? Not sure which version exactly introduced the change.

Second, A-10s have been stationed in cold climates, and I have read regarding this very issue that in real life operations, they didn't require any kind of specialized equipment for starting the engines just because temps were at or around freezing.

[Antiguedad]

1 hour ago, Yurgon said:

a) Be mindful of forum rule 1.16!

b) That sounds like a gross misrepresentation of what the manual says. Can you find a reference to the outside air temperature there? Again, be mindful of forum rule 1.16 and don't just post a quote from a manual. If you have evidence, contact a community manager and ask them if it's okay to share your evidence.

Let me make two observations in either case.

First, the DCS A-10 used to be able to start up just fine with cold outside air temperatures in DCS prior to... 2.9.5? Not sure which version exactly introduced the change.

Second, A-10s have been stationed in cold climates, and I have read regarding this very issue that in real life operations, they didn't require any kind of specialized equipment for starting the engines just because temps were at or around freezing.

Sorry if you misunderstood my message, English is not my primary language. If you read it again, you can realize that I didn't talk neither about outside temperature nor about engine not being able to start in cold conditions, nor needing any special equipment. I'm not talking about engine wont starting in cold conditions, and I'm not talking about outside temperature but engine temperature stabilizing.

I just try to help responding to the original post author who said that, with the throttle in idle and engine started the engine does a start cycle. And sorry, but I keep stating that this is not a bug, and this is the way the A-10C engines really work:

If Throttle idle and core RPM below 56%  then the Air Turbine Starter Valve opens, the  Engine start cycle light turns on, ECS valve is closed, bleed air valves opens and ignition is provided.

IMO, this is a feature, not a bug.

Edited August 12, 2024 by Antiguedad