68 game crashes since the 3 last update...

[_Guill4ume_]

Hi Community,

@Flappie @BIGNEWY@silverdevil
Getting in touch with you guys for the following problem ;

---> As said in the title 68 game crashes since updated from DCS 2.9.5.55918 . Happened in the 3 last update
' Unfortunately DCS Crashed, Allow dcs blablabl ' and when it happens, after the windows popup I can't select cancel,it's on ok ( and no mouse available ) then I can't select one of the 3 propositions ( it always opens the log ). I have to say that the game is running back in the back ground and it's when I press enter nothing happen, space 'push' the ok and then game stops.

Is that clear or not? Question 1 ---> Is there a way to get rid of this dxdag.exe window? / Is there a way to 'click' cancel even if the mouse is not showing an arrow on the box when I try to move the cursor, looks like it's in game in the background but disapear when passing by

I did clean up/repairs/ all drivers etc all up to date.

Crashed are both VR and non VR

Also crashes happen irrelevent if I select the textures high, medium or low, terrain textures high or low, shadow etc...
It also crashed on my laptop ( different config ) out of nowhere BUT there I was able to keep playing despite the DCS bugwindow staying open.

Also Crashes are MP and SP. All terrain, and all modules 

Few mods are deactivated. I removed them then I also had crashes so put them back but deactivated. 

Unrelated to a trigger. Once It crashes when I start taxi, I restart the same single mission It crashes turning crosswind outbound...
In multiplayer servers, sometime when I join, sometime when I select role, sometime during a dogfight.

Unrelated if openxr toolkit on or deactivated or safe mode. Crash in all 3 mode Unrelated if I change the PPD display of my headset,Crashes in all resolution

Question 2 ------> What do you need/ want me to upload, all the 68 files? Just the zip, what else?
Today : 5 crashes both SP and MP, here are the log. I give up...
I stay calm and focus but please do find a solution, I am playing DCS for the last 2 years and yes I had crashes but since the last updates it's unbearable.
Thanks in advance
 

here my specs :

CPU : AMD Ryzen 9 5950x
GPU : NVIDIA RTX 3080Tu
Ram : 2x 32 go DDR4
Storage : 3TB

 

dcs.log-20240814-065417.zip dcs.log-20240814-094907.zip dcs.log-20240814-094415.zip dcs.log-20240814-091346.zip dcs.log-20240814-071504.zip

Edited August 14, 2024 by _Guill4ume_
update

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, sorry you are having issues, initial look at the logs points to some issues with internal files in DCS, but I will list some other errors below that you may want to check also. 

I would suggest making an exemption for DCS folder in your antivirus and then running a slow repair of DCS, please also remove your unofficial mods for now from your saved games DCS mod folder while we try to determine why it is crashing for you. 

Custom Mods
F-22A,Eurofighter Typhoon,A-4E-C

Errors

Error
attempt to compare number with nil
Line
1615
Script
C:\Users\guill\AppData\Roaming\DCS-BIOS\Plugins\module-f-16c-50\F-16C_50.lua

 

Error
attempt to call field 'run_process' (a nil value)
Line
2
Script
C:\Users\guill\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\Hooks\DCS-BIOS-Autostart-hook.lua

Do you over clock at all? CPU, RAM, GPU? and are temperatures ok while DCS is running?
 

[BIGNEWY]

Please also remove 
Scripting (Main): plugin: SKIPPED 'VSN_F100': disabled by user
Scripting (Main): plugin: SKIPPED 'VSN_F105': disabled by user

check 
Can't open file 'C:\Users\guill\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\MissionEditor/UnitPayloads//_retribution_backups' from real path fs.

it may be a good idea to rename the dcs folder in saved gams keeping it as a backup

Then restart DCS login and redo settings then test without any third party tool or mod. 

 

thank you 

[_Guill4ume_]

Hello,

thank you for your reply,

i deleted al the mods, in the process of a slow repair

i did 2 quick game : tried to use preload radius at zero and medium and low settings. both crash

for those 2 errors it s with my external ded. i tried it with on and off. those 2 crashes here are with it off.

no nothing is overclocked and temp are ok

dcs.log-20240814-114416.zip dcs.log-20240814-115046.zip

[Slippa]

Good luck with this. 

[BIGNEWY]

15 minutes ago, _Guill4ume_ said:

Hello,

thank you for your reply,

i deleted al the mods, in the process of a slow repair

i did 2 quick game : tried to use preload radius at zero and medium and low settings. both crash

for those 2 errors it s with my external ded. i tried it with on and off. those 2 crashes here are with it off.

no nothing is overclocked and temp are ok

dcs.log-20240814-114416.zip 2.86 MB · 0 downloads dcs.log-20240814-115046.zip 3.41 MB · 0 downloads

Im still seeing unofficial mods and errors, so if possible rename your dcs folder in saved games and keep it as a backup. 

then restart DCS, login and test with a clean saved games DCS folder. 

thank you 

[_Guill4ume_]

done, it tok some time,

all mode removed, changed the name and had a clean saved file; de log re log. long clean repair.

crash again here are the log. 2 games one mp the other is instant action fre flight sp

dcs.log-20240814-122819.zip

dcs.log-20240814-123914.zip

Edited August 14, 2024 by _Guill4ume_
2nd log updated

[BIGNEWY]

Ok thanks this one is a little clearer 

2024-08-14 12:39:04.506 INFO    VISUALIZER (Main): [14:39:05.276][Info   ] OpenXR: XrEventDataSessionStateChanged: state XR_SESSION_STATE_FOCUSED->XR_SESSION_STATE_VISIBLE session=1386963180512 time=1000003822096816100
2024-08-14 12:39:04.506 INFO    VISUALIZER (Main): [14:39:05.276][Info   ] OpenXR: XrEventDataSessionStateChanged: state XR_SESSION_STATE_VISIBLE->XR_SESSION_STATE_SYNCHRONIZED session=1386963180512 time=1000003822096849900
2024-08-14 12:39:04.506 INFO    VISUALIZER (Main): [14:39:05.276][Info   ] OpenXR: XrEventDataSessionStateChanged: state XR_SESSION_STATE_SYNCHRONIZED->XR_SESSION_STATE_VISIBLE session=1386963180512 time=1000003822096856900
2024-08-14 12:39:04.506 INFO    VISUALIZER (Main): [14:39:05.276][Info   ] OpenXR: XrEventDataSessionStateChanged: state XR_SESSION_STATE_VISIBLE->XR_SESSION_STATE_FOCUSED session=1386963180512 time=1000003822096862000
2024-08-14 12:39:09.046 WARNING WORLD (Main): ModelTimeQuantizer: ANTIFREEZE ENABLED
2024-08-14 12:39:14.070 INFO    EDCORE (Main): signal caught: 'Abnormal termination'
2024-08-14 12:39:14.070 INFO    EDCORE (Main): try to write dump information
2024-08-14 12:39:14.075 INFO    EDCORE (Main): # -------------- 20240814-123914 --------------
2024-08-14 12:39:14.077 INFO    EDCORE (Main): DCS/2.9.7.58923 (x86_64; MT; Windows NT 10.0.19045)
2024-08-14 12:39:14.079 INFO    EDCORE (Main): C:\Windows\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
2024-08-14 12:39:14.081 INFO    EDCORE (Main): # FFFFFFEA (Unknown exception code) at 00007ffd5007b699 00:00000000
2024-08-14 12:39:14.083 INFO    EDCORE (Main): SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: 'D:\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin-mt;', symOptions: 532, UserName: 'guill'
2024-08-14 12:39:14.085 INFO    EDCORE (Main): OS-Version: 10.0.19045 () 0x100-0x1
2024-08-14 12:39:14.087 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000003b699 (KERNELBASE): RaiseException + 0x69
2024-08-14 12:39:14.089 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000006c19 (edCore): ed::current_exception_stack_trace + 0x279
2024-08-14 12:39:14.090 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000071881 (ucrtbase): raise + 0x1E1
2024-08-14 12:39:14.092 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000072851 (ucrtbase): abort + 0x31
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000029383f (vrclient_x64): HmdSystemFactory + 0x1953EF
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000002c6169 (vrclient_x64): HmdSystemFactory + 0x1C7D19
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000083a48 (vrclient_x64): xrNegotiateLoaderRuntimeInterface + 0x34728
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000083282 (vrclient_x64): xrNegotiateLoaderRuntimeInterface + 0x33F62
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000024f49e (VarjoOpenXR): Varjo::VrActionController::pollOpenVREvents + 0x7E
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000024f3ea (VarjoOpenXR): Varjo::VrActionController::pollEvent + 0x1A
2024-08-14 12:39:14.093 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000028c777 (VarjoOpenXR): Varjo::IVrSession::pollEvent + 0x407
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000002a9b2b (VarjoOpenXR): vxrPollEvent + 0x5B
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000000c66b7 (XR_APILAYER_MBUCCHIA_toolkit): getVersionString + 0x18647
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000000a7663 (XR_APILAYER_MBUCCHIA_toolkit): (function-name not available) + 0x0
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000002d3a3 (XR_APILAYER_MBUCCHIA_quad_views): xrNegotiateLoaderApiLayerInterface + 0x11263
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000017092 (XR_APILAYER_MBUCCHIA_quad_views): (function-name not available) + 0x0
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000001afd4f (Visualizer): TransformComponent::validatePositionsTree + 0x2AC0F
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000019a286 (Visualizer): TransformComponent::validatePositionsTree + 0x15146
2024-08-14 12:39:14.094 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000121cf1 (Visualizer): try_get_HMDcontroller_pos + 0xB7B1
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000010cfdf (Visualizer): HMD::processUserInput + 0x1F
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000904ecb (DCS): SW + 0x41B68B
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000092a282 (DCS): SW + 0x440A42
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000008e4e44 (DCS): SW + 0x3FB604
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000008e6573 (DCS): SW + 0x3FCD33
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000002240d78 (DCS): AmdPowerXpressRequestHighPerformance + 0x11C4D74
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000cbf01e (DCS): SW + 0x7D57DE
2024-08-14 12:39:14.095 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000017374 (KERNEL32): BaseThreadInitThunk + 0x14

It looks like an openXR layer issues. 

Try to disable OpenXR toolkit, It could be the order the layers are being started in. 

Will try to work it out. 

[Special K]

Do you by chance use QuadViews and / or XRNeckSafer?

[_Guill4ume_]

OK, it was disabled for those 2 games ( App not launched and when checked the box disable openXR toolkit is ticked). Also I installed that last week, so I had crashes before.

Do you want me to disinstalled Openxrtoolkit/ quadview  from my computer and try again?

1 minute ago, Special K said:

Do you by chance use QuadViews and / or XRNeckSafer?

No no neck safer and yes I have tried those quad view to see if it can solve the problem.

[Special K]

The question was more to disable it. It seems that you need a specific order to load the plugins in the OpenXR Toolkit, and if you do not follow that, it can crash.

[_Guill4ume_]

I am gonna remove openxr tool kit and quad view, as it was disabled and still the game crashed, so you can have a look.
Note as well that my headset is up to date and the Varjo Base program is the last built

[Special K]

Send a log from a crash

- without the toolkit
- without any mods
- after you did a slow repair
 

Best is to delete Saved Games\DCS\fxo and metashader2 and %TEMP%\DCS before you do the test.

[_Guill4ume_]

9 minutes ago, Special K said:

Send a log from a crash

- without the toolkit ( de installed from computer both toolkit and quadview )
- without any mods ' all de installed ) + new saved game folder 'factory reset'
- after you did a slow repair - done
 

Best is to delete Saved Games\DCS\fxo and metashader2 and %TEMP%\DCS before you do the test. all done too

aaannnddd .... crash again. SP instant action f16c

ps : out of thread but why it s showing dcs open beta and not dcs? is it not common now?

dcs.log-20240814-131512.zip

[SkateZilla]

Seems to be Varo Controller related:
 

2024-08-14 13:15:11.774 INFO    EDCORE (Main): signal caught: 'Abnormal termination'
2024-08-14 13:15:11.775 INFO    EDCORE (Main): try to write dump information
2024-08-14 13:15:11.779 INFO    EDCORE (Main): # -------------- 20240814-131512 --------------
2024-08-14 13:15:11.781 INFO    EDCORE (Main): DCS/2.9.7.58923 (x86_64; MT; Windows NT 10.0.19045)
2024-08-14 13:15:11.782 INFO    EDCORE (Main): C:\Windows\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
2024-08-14 13:15:11.784 INFO    EDCORE (Main): # FFFFFFEA (Unknown exception code) at 00007fff9e29b699 00:00000000
2024-08-14 13:15:11.786 INFO    EDCORE (Main): SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: 'D:\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin-mt;', symOptions: 532, UserName: 'guill'
2024-08-14 13:15:11.788 INFO    EDCORE (Main): OS-Version: 10.0.19045 () 0x100-0x1
2024-08-14 13:15:11.790 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000003b699 (KERNELBASE): RaiseException + 0x69
2024-08-14 13:15:11.792 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000006c19 (edCore): ed::current_exception_stack_trace + 0x279
2024-08-14 13:15:11.794 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000071881 (ucrtbase): raise + 0x1E1
2024-08-14 13:15:11.796 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000072851 (ucrtbase): abort + 0x31
2024-08-14 13:15:11.796 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000029383f (vrclient_x64): HmdSystemFactory + 0x1953EF
2024-08-14 13:15:11.796 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000002c6169 (vrclient_x64): HmdSystemFactory + 0x1C7D19
2024-08-14 13:15:11.796 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000083a48 (vrclient_x64): xrNegotiateLoaderRuntimeInterface + 0x34728
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000083282 (vrclient_x64): xrNegotiateLoaderRuntimeInterface + 0x33F62
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000024f49e (VarjoOpenXR): Varjo::VrActionController::pollOpenVREvents + 0x7E
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000024fcf2 (VarjoOpenXR): Varjo::VrActionController::syncActions + 0x122
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000029fcd6 (VarjoOpenXR): vxrSyncActions + 0x2F6
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000001affd2 (Visualizer): TransformComponent::validatePositionsTree + 0x2AE92
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000019210c (Visualizer): TransformComponent::validatePositionsTree + 0xCFCC
2024-08-14 13:15:11.797 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000121a38 (Visualizer): try_get_HMDcontroller_pos + 0xB4F8
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000010cfeb (Visualizer): HMD::processUserInput + 0x2B
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000904ecb (DCS): SW + 0x41B68B
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x000000000092a282 (DCS): SW + 0x440A42
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000008e4e44 (DCS): SW + 0x3FB604
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x00000000008e6573 (DCS): SW + 0x3FCD33
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000002240d78 (DCS): AmdPowerXpressRequestHighPerformance + 0x11C4D74
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000cbf01e (DCS): SW + 0x7D57DE
2024-08-14 13:15:11.798 INFO    EDCORE (Main): 0x0000000000017374 (KERNEL32): BaseThreadInitThunk + 0x14
2024-08-14 13:15:12.178 ERROR   ED_SOUND (22872): render time = 0.269168s exceeded allowed slice of 0.010000s

 

[Special K]

vor 28 Minuten schrieb _Guill4ume_:

ps : out of thread but why it s showing dcs open beta and not dcs? is it not common now?

The OpenBeta branch ist still there. If you have not changed the branch, you will still have these Directories.

Can you try and don't use your controllers (turn them off)?

[_Guill4ume_]

Ok noted.
I will do it, just using mouse and keyboard.

@SkateZilla
Thank you for your input, but what I have to do then? The VB version hasn't changed nor the headset firmware since the starts of all those crashes and I haven't touched the settings ( which anyway doesn't change about the rate of crashes, if I use high , medium or even low for the headset and medium, low for the textures and terrain game settings )

cheers

[SkateZilla]

If you get no crashes with controllers disconnected, then it's likely a USB Driver or Device Driver issue w/ the controllers.

[_Guill4ume_]

31 minutes ago, Special K said:

The OpenBeta branch ist still there. If you have not changed the branch, you will still have these Directories.

Can you try and don't use your controllers (turn them off)?

Special K,

I did a run with only keyboard and mouse ( Joystick/ Throttle/Rudder/ 2 mfd/ Ded/ ICP / right console/ left console all OFF ) VR on.
All those are on 2 powered hub, set on a different socket than my computer and those hub are connected to my computer via an USB powered cable.

It didn't crash. Both SP and MP, same settings as the 2 previous crashes.

But now what? I can't play without controller  what can I do and why it's crashing now and not before?

2 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

If you get no crashes with controllers disconnected, then it's likely a USB Driver or Device Driver issue w/ the controllers.

Then one of them is mixing up with Varjo? What would you suggest, testing one by one?

Or might be power related?

[Special K]

You can try that already:

Open a cmd.exe as Administrator and run the following 2 commands:

dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
sfc /scannow

What you should also do is disabling any power saving on your USB slots. Reinstalling the VR software including drivers might be a thing also.

[_Guill4ume_]

Ok Wilco,

I did reinstalled the VR software, and I will also reinstall latest GPU drivers.

Edit : DISM didn't worked out, sfc scan has been done

Edit II : I bought my gaming computer done by someone else, while looking at the default clock speed and current clock speed I see a discrepency, does it means it's overclocked? ( since you asked )

Edited August 14, 2024 by _Guill4ume_

[_Guill4ume_]

3 hours ago, Special K said:

What you should also do is disabling any power saving on your USB slots.

By doing that is there a risk of surge or something which might damage my computer?

 

Edit : It seems it was the root cause, I did that to the SS10 usb slot of my Varjo Aero and didn't get any crash on 2 SP game. I will try MP tomorrow, but so far it seems working

 

I really thanks all involved for the help!!!

Edited August 14, 2024 by _Guill4ume_

[rob10]

4 hours ago, _Guill4ume_ said:

By doing that is there a risk of surge or something which might damage my computer?

Edit : It seems it was the root cause, I did that to the SS10 usb slot of my Varjo Aero and didn't get any crash on 2 SP game. I will try MP tomorrow, but so far it seems working

Glad to hear that you got it working again.  In answer to your question, all turning Power Saving off does is means that the computer won't turn off power to the USB if it thinks nothing is using it (i.e. drawing power).  Power saving can cause problems because sometimes the computer does a poor job of knowing when something is using it or not and turns if off even when it's in use.

[Special K]

Am 14.8.2024 um 18:35 schrieb _Guill4ume_:

Ok Wilco,

I did reinstalled the VR software, and I will also reinstall latest GPU drivers.

Edit : DISM didn't worked out, sfc scan has been done

Edit II : I bought my gaming computer done by someone else, while looking at the default clock speed and current clock speed I see a discrepency, does it means it's overclocked? ( since you asked )

 

Sorry, just saw that.

You need to use blanks between the options 

dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

You did not put blanks between them. You just need to cut&paste. And no, it can't harm your PC.
But glad that the USB power save did the trick already! (I would still run DISM just to make things clean and shiny again).

[_Guill4ume_]

Done Thank you!