New F5 Swiss version confirmed by screenshot?

[VPS_Zen]

Hi,

As a fan of the swiss F5, I noticed in the loading screen that there was an vhf antenna, I then checked in more detail and noticed some new stuff around the exhaust. Then I went to find a screen from the official website of the f5 and did some comparison with the in game one. It seems really close to a swiss one as you could see in a patrouille suisse picture closeup.

 

Is a new 3d model or a new F5 variant coming?

Edited August 17, 2024 by VPS_Zen
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[SkateZilla]

Note:
You completely missed the Leading Edge Root Extension Upgrade....

[Stratos]

I hope that if they make modifications to the 3D model they can also add the option to choose older helmets for the pilot!!

[nairb121]

Our F-5E is effectively a Swiss F-5 already, I believe the E-3 with the RWR is pretty much unique to Switzerland – the "standard" E-3 as described in the USAF manuals doesn't have one. I would certainly like to have an updated 3D model though!

[Bucic]

On 8/18/2024 at 10:51 AM, SkateZilla said:

Note:
You completely missed the Leading Edge Root Extension Upgrade....

What's the difference? Any shots for comparison?

[MadKreator]

6 hours ago, nairb121 said:

Our F-5E is effectively a Swiss F-5 already, I believe the E-3 with the RWR is pretty much unique to Switzerland – the "standard" E-3 as described in the USAF manuals doesn't have one. I would certainly like to have an updated 3D model though!

I think it’s loosely based on a Swiss model also. While building some Helios parts for it there was a specific gauge or two that I could only see on the Swiss version for some references.  The other cockpits I found were slightly different, although that could have  been  different versions/(blocks?)/ timeframes too I suppose

[nairb121]

Looking more closely at the comparison, while most of the changes appear to just be improved details, there are a couple things that caught my eye:

1. I can't believe I never noticed before that the countermeasure dispenser (AN/ALE-40(V)) is completely missing from the DCS F-5E external model

2. Most of the antenna locations are consistent between the before/after pictures, and match the locations shown in the F-5EF-1 or F-5E/N NATOPS (below) - but I don't know what the large dorsal antenna shown in the "new" model is for. It's not shown in any of my reference material, but many export F-5Es were equipped with it - probably an additional radio?

[SkateZilla]

17 minutes ago, nairb121 said:

Looking more closely at the comparison, while most of the changes appear to just be improved details, there are a couple things that caught my eye:

1. I can't believe I never noticed before that the countermeasure dispenser (AN/ALE-40(V)) is completely missing from the DCS F-5E external model

2. Most of the antenna locations are consistent between the before/after pictures, and match the locations shown in the F-5EF-1 or F-5E/N NATOPS (below) - but I don't know what the large dorsal antenna shown in the "new" model is for. It's not shown in any of my reference material, but many export F-5Es were equipped with it - probably an additional radio?

The large Dorsal is VHF.

There's also 3 smaller under nose pitot antennas, more details on the LAU7, more details on several rear panels.

Not to mention the textures appear to be proper PBR Composite materials instead of JSON conversions w/ a separate DECAL mesh., the Bort decals are smoothly blended instead of hard edged as well.

Edited August 19, 2024 by SkateZilla

[Hotel Tango]

Nice catch, hope they can include sub variants of the F-5 with smaller LERXs, dorsal ADF antena, or the refueling probe 

[Northstar98]

8 hours ago, nairb121 said:

Our F-5E is effectively a Swiss F-5 already, I believe the E-3 with the RWR is pretty much unique to Switzerland – the "standard" E-3 as described in the USAF manuals doesn't have one. I would certainly like to have an updated 3D model though!

It's a toss-up, Frankenstein's monster of a Swiss F-5E, realistically it should probably be renamed to F-5N or something. Because apart from the RWR and the countermeasure dispensers, everything else is consistent with a USAF series E-3. It doesn't for instance have the different radios (which includes VHF (hence the antenna) as opposed to just UHF like we have) or the different accelerometer.

26 minutes ago, nairb121 said:

1. I can't believe I never noticed before that the countermeasure dispenser (AN/ALE-40(V)) is completely missing from the DCS F-5E external model

The F-5E model has it missing, but the E-3 model has it present (if this is what you meant ignore me - most people use F-5E to describe the F-5E-3):

[nairb121]

15 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

The large Dorsal is VHF.

Cool, thanks. Is there a good reference for the various avionics packages in the export models? There seems to have been a lot of variation, I'd be interested in learning more.

14 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

It's a toss-up, Frankenstein's monster of a Swiss F-5E, realistically it should probably be renamed to F-5N or something. Because apart from the RWR and the countermeasure dispensers, everything else is consistent with a USAF series E-3. It doesn't for instance have the different radios (which includes VHF (hence the antenna) as opposed to just UHF like we have) or the different accelerometer.

Yeah you're right, it does seem to be a mix of those versions. It's not quite an N either though is it, since those have INS, and I think a second UHF radio? Unless there's an earlier version of the N that I'm missing.

14 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

The F-5E model has it missing, but the E-3 model has it present (if this is what you meant ignore me - most people use F-5E to describe the F-5E-3):

Yeah, the flyable version was what I was referring to, I just somehow didn't see in in OP's second screenshot and didn't remember if I'd specifically noticed it before.

[SkateZilla]

12 minutes ago, nairb121 said:

Cool, thanks. Is there a good reference for the various avionics packages in the export models? There seems to have been a lot of variation, I'd be interested in learning more.

Yeah you're right, it does seem to be a mix of those versions. It's not quite an N either though is it, since those have INS, and I think a second UHF radio? Unless there's an earlier version of the N that I'm missing.

Yeah, the flyable version was what I was referring to, I just somehow didn't see in in OP's second screenshot and didn't remember if I'd specifically noticed it before.

[Bucic]

YoYo's new landing gear physics:

Here's a wild speculation! YoYo has mentioned that:

a) virtually all DCS A/C are to receive revised landing gear physics

b) once an implementation for a certain aircraft is ready 3D modelers manhours are required to complete the implementation

 

Could it... could it be? Surely that would be a huge one. I feel like ever since the release of Su-25 some 10 years ago all the other DCS aircraft kept getting LockOn-ish landing gear physics. Just look at roll kicks of most of the jets in DCS.

[SkateZilla]

F-5E has used PFM landing gear physics since launch.

[Bucic]

On 8/21/2024 at 3:23 PM, SkateZilla said:

F-5E has used PFM landing gear physics since launch.

That doesn't mean the physics aren't getting an update. As far as I remember "the new struts and donuts" are not exclusive to WW2 warbirds. It's just the warbirds are first in queue, starting with Mosquito, Mustang and the Thunderbolt.

 

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The new system has been added to the Mosquito as an initial proof of concept in particular due to its large low pressure tires and short shock absorber movement range, making it an excellent technology demonstrator. After the upcoming release we will continue integrating the new landing gear physics into other aircraft, both WWII and modern.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/512d7ea932c687ba6c3ff72e39cd16fb/

Edited August 22, 2024 by Bucic

[Bucic]

Any new info on that? Any official screenshots?

[Raisuli]

Info?  Like, the prelude to an update?  You're kidding, right?  This is the F-5; my absolute favorite abandoned aircraft.  Cracks in a compressor blade?  Nothing some JB Weld and Gorilla tape can't fix...don't worry about that vibration, it will settle down eventually... 

Edited September 10, 2024 by Raisuli

[Bucic]

@VPS_Zen

 Where is that shot from? I can't seem to locate it in the product gallery. All 5's are without the "new" antennas.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/702/

 

[Bucic]

Found the Screenshot set https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/1885/

Still: All 5's, except the one on that one shot, are without the "new" antennas.

[SkateZilla]

So far that's the only shot that's available.

[Bucic]

Even having that teaser I'm worried it's going to be another F-16 case. There's a high fidelity F-16 model in DCS already and some missions are full of F-16s with ugly old models only because it's some other variant of F-16. DCS F-16C was released 4 years ago.

[SkateZilla]

2 hours ago, Bucic said:

Even having that teaser I'm worried it's going to be another F-16 case. There's a high fidelity F-16 model in DCS already and some missions are full of F-16s with ugly old models only because it's some other variant of F-16. DCS F-16C was released 4 years ago.

I've been an advocate for replacing the old Flanker/LockOn Models w/ updated versions based off the new models.

[Bucic]

7 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

I've been an advocate for replacing the old Flanker/LockOn Models w/ updated versions based off the new models.

The Lock On ones are so bad I'd be for replacing them with vaguely similar ones

Is there a wishlist thread for that?

[VPS_Choki]

9 hours ago, Bucic said:

Found the Screenshot set https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/1885/

Still: All 5's, except the one on that one shot, are without the "new" antennas.

one of the screenshot is the loading screen for the F-5 FC24

[Bucic]

The 3D model featured in the latest promotional video seems to be the old one