BVR AI Tutorial

[dresoccer4]

Been looking for a simple tutorial video that shows how to use the AI to target and engage enemies at BVR, but not having any luck for some reason. Anyone able to recommend a video or series that addresses this?

Edited October 5, 2024 by dresoccer4

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

AI as of Jester or wingman?

[dresoccer4]

12 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

AI as of Jester or wingman?

Jester, thanks

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I am not the expert, but if it is already in TWS Auto mode, there isn’t much one can tell what Jester can do, as the AI already sorts things out for you.

of course, I can be wrong and need more research.

[dresoccer4]

49 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

I am not the expert, but if it is already in TWS Auto mode, there isn’t much one can tell what Jester can do, as the AI already sorts things out for you.

of course, I can be wrong and need more research.

i thought there are a bunch of different settings and options on the jester wheel?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

First, we are talking from the pilot's perspective, not from the RIO. And it is about A-A only.

Yes, Jester menu does provide a number of commands to control of radar modes: RWS, TWS auto/manual, and Auto (whatever it is, I don't use it). Also Jester can help with changing TID range, rader operations like changing radar elevation, azimuth. Also locking on radar contacts which is notoriously unreliable.

If you are looking for this, there are tons of tutorials out there and I would recommend Prez's series which covers more than just radar operations.

As for engagement, even though human RIO can actually select the A-A weapons and shoot them, but Jester is unable to do this for you, if my understanding is correct.

Any experts out there, please chime in. Thank you.

[dresoccer4]

7 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

First, we are talking from the pilot's perspective, not from the RIO. And it is about A-A only.

Yes, Jester menu does provide a number of commands to control of radar modes: RWS, TWS auto/manual, and Auto (whatever it is, I don't use it). Also Jester can help with changing TID range, rader operations like changing radar elevation, azimuth. Also locking on radar contacts which is notoriously unreliable.

If you are looking for this, there are tons of tutorials out there and I would recommend Prez's series which covers more than just radar operations.

As for engagement, even though human RIO can actually select the A-A weapons and shoot them, but Jester is unable to do this for you, if my understanding is correct.

Any experts out there, please chime in. Thank you.

exactly. this is what I'm looking for. a video tutorial on how to use Jester AI to search for and select targets beyond visual range. i've been struggling to find any good ones

[Nightdare]

3 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

exactly. this is what I'm looking for. a video tutorial on how to use Jester AI to search for and select targets beyond visual range. i've been struggling to find any good ones

 This might give you some pointers:

 

 

[dresoccer4]

22 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 This might give you some pointers:

 

 

thanks i'll check it out

[WarthogOsl]

One tip I have is to bind the TID ranges to some hat or wheel in your setup.  My reason for this is that the option to choose ranges disappears from the Jester wheel for some reason once you launch a missile (at least it always has for me).  However, the binds will still work fine.

[draconus]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:06 AM, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

As for engagement, even though human RIO can actually select the A-A weapons and shoot them, but Jester is unable to do this for you, if my understanding is correct.

Yeah but Jester can be programmed to do this - ex. in the Reforger II campaign, where Jester is guiding the intercept and launches Sparrow.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

This is great to know but the vanilla Jester cannot even do a STT lock on the target right before my eyes.

[Lt_Jaeger]

99% of the time it's more a RADAR capability problem or a wrongly placed airplane, rather than jester. I leave the 1%in for the always existing bugs in software. 

 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Okay, I think I should have got into the PAL or something like that (sorry OT)

[draconus]

1 hour ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

This is great to know but the vanilla Jester cannot even do a STT lock on the target right before my eyes.

No, like @Lt_Jaeger said, it's mostly the case where target is in the doppler filter or the radar/antenna is set wrong, wrong mode selected... and yes, you should lock the close targets yourself in pilot modes:

https://heatblur.se/F-14Manual/general.html#acm-modes

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Thank you guys! I know I need to learn more.

[WarthogOsl]

On 10/7/2024 at 5:33 AM, Lt_Jaeger said:

99% of the time it's more a RADAR capability problem or a wrongly placed airplane, rather than jester. I leave the 1%in for the always existing bugs in software. 

 

OTOH, it would be nice if Jester at least moved and kept the antenna at the correct elevation of a datalink target, even if he can't lock it atm.

[The_Tau]

Remember, Jester is just interface for PILOT to control the radar. He DOES NOT search for targets. So he can only lock stuff if there are return tracks on TID. So dont even try spamming "lock target ahead" if there are no tracks for Jester to lock on TID. You as Pilot have to babysit Jester all the time telling him where to point radar (i use scan at x nm y ft elevation command) to get tracks so then Jester can lock them with STT 

[dresoccer4]

On 10/14/2024 at 2:03 AM, The_Tau said:

Remember, Jester is just interface for PILOT to control the radar. He DOES NOT search for targets. So he can only lock stuff if there are return tracks on TID. So dont even try spamming "lock target ahead" if there are no tracks for Jester to lock on TID. You as Pilot have to babysit Jester all the time telling him where to point radar (i use scan at x nm y ft elevation command) to get tracks so then Jester can lock them with STT 

gotcha, i thought the Jester was more of an "AI" in that it would seek out targets if you told it to. i think Jester 2.0 is more along thie vein 

[draconus]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:50 PM, dresoccer4 said:

gotcha, i thought the Jester was more of an "AI" in that it would seek out targets if you told it to. i think Jester 2.0 is more along thie vein 

More in FAQ:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/260275-faq-f-14ab-tomcat-by-heatblur-simulations-frequently-asked-questions/

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Q: What is a RIO? Do I need a RIO to fly the Tomcat?
A: The RIO is the Radar Intercept Officer, in other aircraft sometimes also referred to as WSO or Weapon Systems Officer (in the Strike Eagle for example) or NFO, Naval Flight Officer (which are all not pilots, contrary to Naval Aviators). He sits in the backseat in the Tomcat. He does all the radio communications and also manages flight lead, he manages the radar, the systems, he runs the intercepts and missions and is responsible for navigation and much much more. He is generally considered the "boss" in the aircraft. He takes a backrole in BFM however or during maneuvers, that require a lot of input by the pilot (landings, take offs, AAR, etc), but is else often in charge of the aircraft. You do not need a human RIO to fly our Tomcat, we created "JESTER", a RIO-AI for this very purpose (see next Q/A). But do not worry, Jester is still a young and inexperienced RIO and will follow and require your orders, 100% of the time. Of course, we do recommend to try Multicrew, as the shared experience in the Tomcat, between a human pilot and RIO, is something special indeed.

Q: Who and what is "JESTER"?
A: JESTER is our RIO-AI. He is not an AI in the classic sense, but provides functionality that a human RIO would provide to the pilot, such as spotting, radar management, systems management, startup and shutdown, checklists, situational awareness calls, etc... He can be interacted with through a command rose, but can also be used with 3rd party software such as voice attack, etc... Not only is Jester meant to provide functionality for the Singleplayer environment for an else 2-seater aircraft, but also immersion and fun - we recorded over eleven thousand (!) voice lines for him, to provide many variations in his calls. Jester has human limitations (he can only see, where he looks at, can only do 1 task at a time in general, he needs to look at the appropriate panel to service it, he pushes the correct buttons, etc.), makes mistakes and even comments on your flying, as well as being aware of what situation the player is in, be it BFM, BVR, WVR, Air to Ground, Landing, Take Off, etc... and will act and behave accordingly.

 

At least he's good with the LANTIRN.

[Tomcatter87]

On 10/21/2024 at 8:46 AM, draconus said:

More in FAQ:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/260275-faq-f-14ab-tomcat-by-heatblur-simulations-frequently-asked-questions/

At least he's good with the LANTIRN.

LANTIRN is bugged at the moment. I opened a thread in the bug section - under some circumstances, he does not do anything with the LANTIRN.