reported WWII AI has been ruined.

[motoadve]

Love Reflected campaigns , very immersive and challenging, but since the last big patch, now they are too easy, its boring, AI does not attack you, hardly evades, hardly attacks other AI, you go out on a mission for example in the P47 campaign, and get for 4 or 5 air to air kills easily, before it used to be you would be happy if you got back alive and if you got a kill it was a great feel of accomplishment.

This needs to be fixed, because right now single player WWII has become too boring and easy.

It has ruined this amazing campaigns.

[Gierasimov]

Is there a track that you could attach for review? Only that can trigger actual bug report, otherwise it's just your opinion and perception. 

[NineLine]

Please include a track of the issue. Thanks.

 

[motoadve]

Here is a track, quick mission Spitfire, 109 Furball, Channel map.

Enemy and Allied AI hardly engage, if they chase each other maybe fire a min burst if at all, and keep chasing without firing, planes become easy to shoot down for human players, I got a 109 on my tail and flew straight and level on purpose to see if he shoots, one mini burst then nothing and follows me doing aileron rolls. This mission used to be a challenge, now an unrealistic peace of cake.

Same with rest of missions, campaigns and even AI in MP have lost their aggressiveness.

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[Reflected]

I also find that when I do a big AI vs AI furball, they score way less kills against each other than before. In this track 4 AI were shot down and it took 10 minutes.

The other problem is sometimes when 2 AI flights merge, one or more flight members just break away, do a lazy 360 before - maybe - reengaging. Mostly 190s. See track.

And the WW2 AI's spotting/ detection range has severely deteriorated too. In the track, trained AIs only detect each other head on at 2.5 miles.

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[Reflected]

Oh and one more weird thing I noticed. E.g. in the last mission of BNBOB. The fight starts on the deck, but after 5-10 minues, the AI is turning in circles around each other at contrail altitudes. So instead of descending fights, running OUT of energy, they somehow get to higher and higher energy states. Weird. Never happened before July 2024, not for the 5 years this campaign has been out.

[motoadve]

Another track, same quick mission as before, Spitfire channel 109 furball, towards the end a 109 gets on my tail, I fly straight, he fires a short burst , then just follows me forever, me just flying straight and level to see if he shoots me down, he is just following behind doing rolls, does not fire, I even slow down a bit and continue straight and level to make it even easier, still follows me doing rolls, I slow down even more ,after a while then he finally fires and shoots me down. I had to work hard to get shot down.

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[Rhayvn]

This is likely related to a change some few months ago where the AI will select one target to attack for each AI aircraft and the other AI aircraft, if they don't have a target of their own (Or they shoot it down) just fly around not engaging the remaining hostiles. 

This is most easily seen in a 2v2.  Each AI aircraft will go after one of the opposing aircraft.  When one of the aircraft is shot down, the other fight will stay as a 1v1 with the winner of the other 1v1, now free, never trying to assist it's group mate.  It will fly around nearby, or even try to get in formation with the still engaged friendly.  It will only engage the remaining hostile if the 1v1 is lost by its group mate.

This is truly silly behavior because it makes all fights 1v1 duels even with multiple aircraft around.

[Reflected]

I just replayed mission 3 of the Wolfpack campaign, to see the extent of the damage. It's a big 16 vs 12 dogfight. This time I was the only one opening fire at straight flying 109s. Nobody else fired a shot

[motoadve]

7 hours ago, Reflected said:

I just replayed mission 3 of the Wolfpack campaign, to see the extent of the damage. It's a big 16 vs 12 dogfight. This time I was the only one opening fire at straight flying 109s. Nobody else fired a shot

Just finished Wolfpack Campaign, I started it a few months ago, was exciting and fun, but after the patch it became unrealistic and boring, I was the only one doing the firing and getting kills, not challenging at all. It killed any sense of immersion.

[waterman]

"WWll Al as been ruined"

 Hi my comment is on Topic and this has been reported i hope but worth noting if your working on WWll Stuff -

Sadly

1. The WWll Class86 Steam Locomotive wheels do not rotate anymore.

2. The Valve Gear does not animate anymore.

3. You cannot Deactivate it now since last update.

4. Using WWll Normandy Map The Trains wheels are sunken down to axles in the track.

Edited October 19, 2024 by waterman

[Reflected]

In any case ED acknowledged there is a problem and they’re looking in to it. The best everyone can do is to provide simple tracks showing different aspects of the problem. Keep them coming!

[motoadve]

More tracks Quick mission FW190 Airfield attack, lots of Spitfires, but just fly around in circles doing nothing, I am the only one shooting.

Quick Mission P47 Channel map 109 furball, again I am the only one firing and shooting down planes, AI does not shoot at anyone, P47s and 109s just chase each other and do not shoot.

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[Reflected]

Another track, 12 v 12, all ace 190s, they only managed to score a single kill...the 190s flew like target drones.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b4e0gcuj0N8rWvJZp9GjYems84r3WqBO/view?usp=sharing

[motoadve]

Definitely it has not been fixed, same boring un aggressive behavior, ran a few single player missions, plenty of planes chasing each other, hardly any shooting, again I am the only one doing all the killing.

This is very important , should be a priority, WWII single player has become very boring, and it was not like that, hoping to see it fixed to at least the way it was before it got broken.

 

[NineLine]

Sorry guys, I didnt update this. Its been reported for a while now, and the team is still working in it, they know its bad and how important it is to get fixed. Thanks.