fixed Huge brown crater texture issue

[Matt Glover]

On 2/21/2025 at 8:25 AM, Flappie said:

Do you have an example of server running Foothold with this issue?

#BAFG server has this issue for quite a few users we run foothold on different maps

[scommander2]

There is another video capture from the 4YA server.

Synopsis:

I was trying to take off my F-14B from the airfield "Kransnodar", and I found the issue was occurred in the whole takeoff process.  So, I decided to eject,  spawned the same plane at the same airfield with the video recording on.

4YA server:

Airfield - Krasnodar:

Video Link:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 3 by scommander2

[Tristanelli]

This is insane honestly, I fly the 4ya servers and myself and many other players have been reporting this daily, all in different areas but mostly over airfields, until a fix is found can the texture that causes this be removed from the game somehow?? It's making it quite hard to enjoy the immersion.

Here is video of me flying through it, 

 

Unfortunately I don't have any "short" track files, this usually happens after at least 15 mins of being in the server

 

[Flappie]

1 hour ago, Tristanelli said:

until a fix is found can the texture that causes this be removed from the game somehow??

I believe the textures are here: .\DCS World\Bazar\Textures\TerrainCommon

[SparrowLT]

Its not an annoyance..it disrupts gameplay .. for example you have to attack or land at a base and literally a "blanket" texture will cover the base at like 50f.. so you cant see ground units (but they see you and will fire at you from down the "cloack" and when landing you cant see the runway until last 50f.. nice if you wanna practice ILS landings..but otherwise

 

last screenshot was how low i had to get to see the ground (>50f)

Edited March 12 by SparrowLT

[andyfoot]

[AdrianL]

See 

 

[andyfoot]

Mine was on Caucusas, have also seen it in Syria

[AdrianL]

It can happen on any map

[BIGNEWY]

Folks if you are still seeing the crater bug please attach your dcs log and let us know what unofficial mods and scripts you are using. 

thank you. 

[okopanja]

7 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Folks if you are still seeing the crater please attach your dcs log and let us know what unofficial mods and scripts you are using. 

thank you. 

I saw it last week. If I remember correctly last updated was only about mission content, so the issue is still live and kicking.

[BIGNEWY]

2 minutes ago, okopanja said:

I saw it last week. If I remember correctly last updated was only about mission content, so the issue is still live and kicking.

We have done a lot of testing on servers without mods or scripts and we were not able to reproduce. But we have also done testing sessions with closed beta testers who do still see the issue. We are trying to figure out what the common cause is. 

[okopanja]

5 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

We have done a lot of testing on servers without mods or scripts and we were not able to reproduce. But we have also done testing sessions with closed beta testers who do still see the issue. We are trying to figure out what the common cause is. 

All I can tell you is that it is related to:

- Large servers (contention)

- Normally I do use only 2 mods: Clickable FC3 (I can disable this, and based on the code it only activates for certain aircrafts) and my own mod (which is essentially an export script for entering nav points SharkPlanner ). I can disable both and let you know, but I am almost certain these are not the root cause.

- it happens in places where CA unit was destroyed (might happen also with flying units)

- its more likely to be reproduced with helicopter (I fly gazelle often, but I have seen it in Mi-8), but e.g. can happen even with low flying FC3 flanker.

- Even though the texture looks like it stretches to infinity or is displayed a large flat explosion, as soon as you move the affected point from your FOV, the whole thing will disappear. Similarly, you move FOV back and its there again. I suspect that this is caused one of the objects which models the debris, which for some reason may have a broken geometry or incorrectly applied texture.  It may be that the object is not removed from the scene for some reason.

- Orientation is usually horizontal or vertical, but I have seen angled. When the thing started happeing back few months ago it was usually vertical and with finite 2D dimensions, but now it displays to infinity.

- Also the texture is one sided, if you pass to the "other" side everything will look normal even if you look to the object that is causing this.

- I think the only difference between crater and the monolith appearance is how the texture itself got applied (colors of both kind of match).

 

[BIGNEWY]

27 minutes ago, okopanja said:

All I can tell you is that it is related to:

- Large servers (contention)

- Normally I do use only 2 mods: Clickable FC3 (I can disable this, and based on the code it only activates for certain aircrafts) and my own mod (which is essentially an export script for entering nav points SharkPlanner ). I can disable both and let you know, but I am almost certain these are not the root cause.

- it happens in places where CA unit was destroyed (might happen also with flying units)

- its more likely to be reproduced with helicopter (I fly gazelle often, but I have seen it in Mi-8), but e.g. can happen even with low flying FC3 flanker.

- Even though the texture looks like it stretches to infinity or is displayed a large flat explosion, as soon as you move the affected point from your FOV, the whole thing will disappear. Similarly, you move FOV back and its there again. I suspect that this is caused one of the objects which models the debris, which for some reason may have a broken geometry or incorrectly applied texture.  It may be that the object is not removed from the scene for some reason.

- Orientation is usually horizontal or vertical, but I have seen angled. When the thing started happeing back few months ago it was usually vertical and with finite 2D dimensions, but now it displays to infinity.

- Also the texture is one sided, if you pass to the "other" side everything will look normal even if you look to the object that is causing this.

- I think the only difference between crater and the monolith appearance is how the texture itself got applied (colors of both kind of match).

 

thanks I will mention your comments to the team 

[Mongo67]

On 2/23/2025 at 2:29 PM, Flappie said:

Yes, it makes a huge difference because it would ease the reproduction of the bug for devs. Do you have the mission file, or even better, the DCS track?

@scommander2 Do you remember which targets you destroyed on the airfield? I think any unit can do as long as it leaves the brown crater, but just in case, that information could be useful.

I have since upgraded my computer so I will have to see if I can recreate it and send it then.

[SparrowLT]

To me it happens in any aircraft. Flamming Cliffs or Full fidelity.

 

its also zoom sensitive.. sometimes you get it and if you zoom in or out it goes at some parts of the zoom ..and as said i been in servers where other people could see glitch and i didnt and viceversa.. i could see a glitch and others couldnt

And it shows up in the maverick screen as well

 

 

 

Edited March 18 by SparrowLT

[BIGNEWY]

Sadly we have no fix for this yet, the cause still remains a mystery after many hours of testing a debugging. The team continue to try and diagnose but a fix will not make it into the next patch. 

 

[andyfoot]

Still getting this effect after Patch today 2.9.14.8222, that was on 4YA Persian Gulf, as expected after BN's previous post

 

[scommander2]

So far, the crater happened more frequently at airfields when taxiing to me. 

[jaguar56]

Unfortunately, I don't have images. but another related situation is a "storm" pattern coming up a couple of times recently.  Best I can describe is like metal filings to a small magnet.  It goes up at least 1K feet in elevation and is quite large.  When I first saw it, I thought it might be an actual sand or dust storm.  I have also worked through the horizontal patterns that stretch to infinity.  They look like the issue is related.  

[jaguar56]

Watched it happen tonight.  On Shadow Reapers Syria Modern - Had just captured Sharat and the strange vertical screen popped up from the downed TV Tower.  It happened exactly when the field switched hands from neutral to blue.  

[scommander2]

 

On 2/23/2025 at 2:24 PM, scommander2 said:

MP Server: 4YA

Map: Persian Gulf

Route: from FARP-PARIS (it was owned by the blue side) to the Fujairah Intl Airfield (the following is an example of the route I took.  I followed the direction of the road with the radar attitude 100-180 to the position near the airfield field so that I could fire AGM-114Ls).  Hovered with the radar attribute around 300 and eliminated the ground targets. 

after all, tried to land at the airfield and looked around with the crater view (please see my video).

 

 

Revisited the same server with the same scenario in AH-64D, the issue could be reproduced.

 

[Creampie]

On 3/18/2025 at 12:00 PM, BIGNEWY said:

Sadly we have no fix for this yet, the cause still remains a mystery after many hours of testing a debugging. The team continue to try and diagnose but a fix will not make it into the next patch. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure it's destroyed ground units doing it.

 

Some of them are just really large bomb craters you see under destroyed vehicles.

[Flappie]

At this point, we know what actions cause it (large bombs released on dirt can cause the bug, no need for a destroyed vehicle). We just don't know why the bug appears (many servers are not affected).

[PatMcKrotch]

I'm hoping my log and video can help this problem.  I was on 4YA Syria today, in a Tomcat.  All was good, I'd seen no lines, then it just appeared.  I think someone in a Kiowa may have shot something first on the ground first, not sure.  There was also an F-15C and an F-18C loaded with laser guided GBUs.

 

I was using TrackIR at the time, graphics settings were set all up to full.

 

Hope this helps guys.

 

 

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