I have the 9800X3D and i’m impressed.

[r_vandenbroek]

Evening folks. Today I received the new chip from Amd and I see people want info on it. I’m no benchmarking expert and only just learned about some benchmarking software so take this with a grain of salt. 

AMD 9800x3d

h115 aio coolet

Asus b650 ROG

64gb DDR5 6000 CL30

AMD7900XTX

5120x1440 + 3x winwing mfds  

reference cpu: 5800x3d. Caucasus flight where I was a little cpu bottlenecked. 
 

FPS avg 77->132

Frametimes 13->7.5ms

1% 26->15ms

0.1% 31.7->20.1ms

Then upped MSAA from 2x to 4x (frequent gpu capped)

FPS AVG 115
1% 63
0.1 47

MS AVG 8.7
1% 15.9
0.1% 21. 
 

Until someone comes along with pretty graphs, i can say that i am astounded at these results and can’t believe it’s just the cpu that raised my fps by that much. 

[Rlaxoxo]

Curious to see VR improvements.

Anyone with a 5800X3D + 4090 out there with a new 9800X3D?

[golani79]

On 11/10/2024 at 12:08 AM, r_vandenbroek said:

Evening folks. Today I received the new chip from Amd and I see people want info on it.

Are you running it with an air cooler or water cooled?

[Ready]

Yeah same interest here @Rlaxoxo. Currently my rig in VR with the 4090 is also CPU bound with a 5800X3D.

Moving to a 9800X3D would not only mean a new CPU, but also a new board and while we are at it possibly new RAM, new CPU cooler and new SSDs. So for me it would almost make more sense to just build a complete new rig. But only if the difference in performance would be big enough.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Ready

[HansPeter1981]

On 11/9/2024 at 4:08 PM, r_vandenbroek said:

...
AMD 9800x3d

h115 aio coolet

Asus b650 ROG

64gb DDR5 6000 CL30

AMD7900XTX

5120x1440 + 3x winwing mfds  

reference cpu: 5800x3d. Caucasus flight where I was a little cpu bottlenecked. 
 

FPS avg 77->132

Frametimes 13->7.5ms

1% 26->15ms

0.1% 31.7->20.1ms

Then upped MSAA from 2x to 4x (frequent gpu capped)

FPS AVG 115
1% 63
0.1 47

MS AVG 8.7
1% 15.9
0.1% 21...

Hello.

Since I have very similar system specs your testing caught my attention.

If possible could you test out a scenario where the gpu is struggling to maintain 60fps at 4k and see what the upflift of 58003d to 9800x3d would be.

I.e. K50 convoy hunt mission with shkval pointed into the hills/trees right on start.

Or a Caucasus treed low angled sun valley run trees and view distance on max 4x msaa mig29 with mirrors on...

 

For sure new cpus will help on the higher end of fps range, question is how will it help with full detail at 60 fps...

 

Thank you. If you share a track file I can always post my reuslt too if you are interested.

[Ready]

I took the plunge and upgraded from 5800x3d to 9800x3d. If interested, I will keep track of my testing here. 

 

[agrasyuk]

I wonder if going from 12700k to a  9800x3d would be an upgrade. Opinions?

[Aapje]

It would be an upgrade, but a bit questionable with regard to how much you gain vs how much you spend. At the very least, I would wait a bit to hopefully see the prices decrease.

[Hiob]

6 hours ago, agrasyuk said:

I wonder if going from 12700k to a  9800x3d would be an upgrade. Opinions?

That pretty much depends on wether you fly in scenarios where you are CPU-bottlenecked (VR, heavily scripted missions with tons of units e.g.)
Then when you are indeed CPU bottlenecked it would be a really significant upgrade.
 

BUT when you mostly fly single player, perhaps with selfmade missions that barely feature a dozen AI units, maybe in 4K res. ....you would most likely notice no difference at all.

DCS is still - in most cases - GPU limited. 

[Nuggetz]

I decided to give myself an early Xmas present and purchased a new PC which I received Friday evening and have spent the weekend downloading software. Details of the PC etc below. 
 

It is early days but with all DCS settings set to on/max (with a couple of minor exceptions, which I don’t like on) and the Crystal set to 100% resolution and Quality,  I am so impressed with the picture quality and performance on either MP or SP. FPS is set to 72 so cannot comment on the other refresh rates yet, but then again I am very happy with my experiences so far. 

[killerwhale]

I am not impressed at all, I upgraded from 11900k to this chip and I went from being able to play at 4k to don't even think about it. my frame rates are as low as 17 FPS in scenes the 11900k was able to hold above 70 FPS. I am not sure what is going on. This is complete Windows installation, and my RAM is 64 GB at 6000 MHZ and the GPU is 3080. I am on Win 11 Professional. Any help would be appreciated before I return both the motherboard and CPU.

[Aapje]

Something is wrong with your system if you get worse performance.

[Hiob]

2 hours ago, killerwhale said:

I am not impressed at all, I upgraded from 11900k to this chip and I went from being able to play at 4k to don't even think about it. my frame rates are as low as 17 FPS in scenes the 11900k was able to hold above 70 FPS. I am not sure what is going on. This is complete Windows installation, and my RAM is 64 GB at 6000 MHZ and the GPU is 3080. I am on Win 11 Professional. Any help would be appreciated before I return both the motherboard and CPU.

Do you have any 3rd party banchmark programs (Cinebench, CPU-Z, OCCT, 3Dmark) where you could check the CPU performance?
Aapje is right. It is impossible that you get that poor performance from that CPU unless something is seriously wrong with the system.
I would start by applying safety defaults in the bios and rechecking. Also check for updated chipset drivers.

oh... and check the ingame telemetry if you are actually CPU or GPU bound in those instances......

[motoadve]

4 hours ago, killerwhale said:

I am not impressed at all, I upgraded from 11900k to this chip and I went from being able to play at 4k to don't even think about it. my frame rates are as low as 17 FPS in scenes the 11900k was able to hold above 70 FPS. I am not sure what is going on. This is complete Windows installation, and my RAM is 64 GB at 6000 MHZ and the GPU is 3080. I am on Win 11 Professional. Any help would be appreciated before I return both the motherboard and CPU.

Did you update the Bios and clear CMOS?

I had problems initially and this solved it.

[killerwhale]

Hi All, 

Yes I did update the Bios and Clear the CMOS.  I tried both the default and EXPO 1 setting in the BIOS and they give the same result. The FPS fluctuates so bad, one second it is over 100 FPS, the next second looking at the other side where there is activity going on and it dips below 70 FPS. I am using AsusDriverHub and it shows all my drivers are up to date.

I did also do some benchmarks with CPU -Z and here is the score. I built this system mainly to play VR, playing at 4k with my previous system was just fine.

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by killerwhale

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, killerwhale said:

Hi All, 

Yes I did update the Bios and Clear the CMOS.  I tried both the default and EXPO 1 setting in the BIOS and they give the same result. The FPS fluctuates so bad, one second it is over 100 FPS, the next second looking at the other side where there is activity going on and it dips below 70 FPS. I am using AsusDriverHub and it shows all my drivers are up to date.

I did also do some benchmarks with CPU -Z and here is the score. I built this system mainly to play VR, playing at 4k with my previous system was just fine.

 

Is it only happening in VR? And if so, are you on Pimax? 

[killerwhale]

3 hours ago, EightyDuce said:

Is it only happening in VR? And if so, are you on Pimax? 

I plan to buy pimax crystal, but now play at 4k

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, killerwhale said:

I plan to buy pimax crystal, but now play at 4k

Ok, disregard. There was an issue observed by Ralfidude on Youtube with the Pimax where if you don't disable "active chaperone" and you hit the limits of the headset it would cut FPS almost in half. However, as you are not using the Pimax this is obviously not the case.

As for your issue, definitely not directly a 9800X3D performance issue unless it's defective in some way; with limited information it's a bit of stumbling in the dark but some things to check: does this only present itself in DCS or are other games affected? As suggested, run some benchmarks like 3DMark for example to see where you system scores or is unstable. Is your system throttling/check the temps. If the issue only presents itself in DCS, was DCS reinstalled fresh with Windows or was it an old install on a separate drive? 

As for the drivers, the AsusDriverHub leaves for much to be desired. I would try Snappy Driver Installer and see if there are any driver updates or missing drivers (you don't need to do the full install, just the Lite version and scan only "This PC"). Also may be worth clearing out graphics driver with Display Driver Uninstaller in safe mode and reinstalling Nvidia drivers, but this being a fresh install its less likely to be the issue (unless its conflicting with a windows-installed driver). Did you do install chipset drivers directly from AMD or the Asus package? If latter may be worth uninstalling and installing directly from AMD.

 

 

 

[killerwhale]

I haven't tested other games, played squad and it looked fine. Here is another picture, the GPU is terrible under used

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, killerwhale said:

I haven't tested other games, played squad and it looked fine. Here is another picture, the GPU is terrible under used

Test other games, isolate it to DCS. If its an isolate case, is this a fresh install of DCS? Or is it a carry over from before the upgrade? If the latter, I would re-install. Along with what others already suggested such as updating/cleaning drivers. 

Edited November 27, 2024 by EightyDuce

[killerwhale]

Thanks EightyDuce for your response and yes it was fresh DCS install and Windows as well

However, I fixed the problem by reinstalling windows again but this time did not use AsusDriverHub and went straight to AMD to download the chip drivers. it looks fantastic and ready for pimax crystal super.

Thanks all for your responses, I appreciate the help