IRAQ MAP - 1991 DESERT STORM - POINT OF INTEREST, IMPORTANT AREAS, STATIC OBJECTS AND SUGGESTIONS.

[Huilque151]

Hi @NineLine, @marktuner1960, and guys especial Desert storm conflict fans. First of all, this its not a not happy client post, i love this map, i was waiting for it meaby for 5 years and i spend a lot of time (truly a lot) rejoin this information, i hope useful for the development team and to the mission editors reading this topics (Please help me to shared this file with the development team). Alright! this PDF include information, images and locations of::

1.  14 Coalitions main airfields  on Saudia Arabia.
2. US Navy & US marines corps land deployment airfields, FARPS locations and CV stations on sea.
3. 34 Iraqi and Kuwait major airfields and major FLOs targeted by coalitions during ODS.
4. 40 Points of interest related to:
   1. Coalitions leadership and command. 
   2. Iraqi leadership and command. 
   3. Iraqi Nuclear, Biological, chemical and conventional weapons facilities.
   4. Iraqi communications facilities.
   5.  Iraqi Oil facilities. (Included related to Kirkuk - Haifa oil pipeline; Backbone of Iraq oil industry)
   6.  Iraqi Power plants.
   7.  Iraqi Naval and port facilities.
   8.  Iraqi Rail yards and Bridges. 
5. Area of interest. 
   1. SCUD launch zones.
   2. Kuwait burning oil fields field.
   3. Ground war and aerial support operations area.
6. Static objects related to Air defense and Scud. 
7. Suggestions and finals word.
   1. attached files: 
      1. the English & Spanish version of this PDF.
      2. Google earth KMZ file (recommend used the Historical image tools) A few of POI structures doesn't exist today.) 

SUGGESTIONS & FINALS WORDS.

Westerns Coalition airfields. 

The Airspace available on this map its huge, i really glad of that, but, almost the 25% of the airspace its not operational usable, because, the only Easter disposition of the coalitions airbases will force fly only north west to reach the North and South Iraq and Kuwait. To allow the use of that airspace i will suggest add westerns Airbases or airfield even if that include a map expansion ( in some alternatives to west or only a little to south. 

• Including the bases of Riyadh AB, Al Kharj Air base, King Faisal AB in Tabuk and Al-Jouf FOB (Task force normandy deploy FOB).
• If that its not possible pleas considerate to add the city of Medina and its Prince Mohammad Bin Abdulaziz Airport. , model the city of Riyadh and its air base and the Al Kharj Air base and Al-Jouf FOB.   

Detailed modeling of POI and AOI.

Performing detailed modeling of the recommended POIs, especially Nuclear, CW and BW, and increasing static objects for the simulation of SAM and SCUD Sites would give a positive and significant impact to the IRAQ map, especially since many youtubers and gamers They recreate and will recreate their missions and videos on this map based on conflicts where operations were mainly visual (CCIP Bombing, LGB Bombing with TGP, Low level Interdiction, CAS, CSAR, etc.) where the detail in the objectives to attack and also the detail of the environment such as changes and esplanades is important in some specific areas mentioned above.

Increase Static Objects and fire effect.
We recommend making a complementary IRAQ ASSET PACK or simply adding new static objects to set the missions that we will carry out in IRAQ MAP with greater precision and detail. The statics related to SCUD and anti-aircraft defenses (Similar to SAM site assets pack) are especially important. Also please considerate make more bigger (10.000 & 20.000 ft vertical size of the Smoke and fire effect) to recreate the huge smoke column of burning kuwait oil fields.  

I hope this document will be helpful to the development team in the development of the map and to my virtual pilot colleagues who develop missions on this map.
I Hope everyone are having a nice holidays.  

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Attached# 1: PDF with more than 80 images of POI & AOF.
Google Earth KMZ File with POI, AOI & Airfields locations, images and aircraft deployment info. (Exportable to CF)

DCS IRAQ MAP - Suggestions and points of interest (English).pdf DCS IRAQ MAP - Sugerencias y puntos de interes (Español).pdf ANEXO #1 pictures of POI V0.1.pdf Operation Desert storm v 0.1.kmz

[NineLine]

Oh, very cool I will check soon. Thanks so much for this!

[Mr_sukebe]

I’m waiting for the southern part of the  map to be implemented before even trying to work on Desert Storm.  That will hopefully include much of what we’re looking for.

In the short term, I’ve put together an initial version of Desert Shield, including a bunch of Iraqi units and a single US carrier group, which is vaguely representative of the status around a month after the invasion of Kuwait

[HwSpring]

This is great work you've done Huilque151. Thank you! 

I would also recommend checking out "Ballons and Drones" website - there is couple of interesting articles with maps of air defence sectors, their command centres locations and numbers/types of AA/SAMS used by Iraq during Desert Storm. It may not be accurate enough to pinpoint their locations to the degree, but with little bit of Google Earth Pro (using historical layers) it should be possible to narrow down some of the locations quite well. 
 

[Huilque151]

8 hours ago, HwSpring said:

This is great work you've done Huilque151. Thank you! 

I would also recommend checking out "Ballons and Drones" website - there is couple of interesting articles with maps of air defence sectors, their command centres locations and numbers/types of AA/SAMS used by Iraq during Desert Storm. It may not be accurate enough to pinpoint their locations to the degree, but with little bit of Google Earth Pro (using historical layers) it should be possible to narrow down some of the locations quite well. 
 

Thanks, I'll look! Currently I was able to read some volumes of Power Survey 1993 (Operation Desert Storm Debrif document) that shows the areas covered by airdefenses and the SAM and AAA used by IRAQ in those areas, as well as other documents on the web that illustrate the same, but in could not find satellite images or some specific coordinates. Using the historical tool of Google Earth, I was able to see very clearly some possible SAM sites, some occupied by SA-2 and others possibly by SHORAD (probably SA-9) but regarding ODS, after of 11 years and a war where they lost many large anti-aircraft systems, it is very difficult to find vestiges of SAM sites (although there are several places where it seems so) but it is very difficult to confirm it with responsibility, therefore, I only mentioned it in the document without specifying positions, anyway I think it is just as great to be able to represent the density, types and scope of area covered by SAM and the real location in which it was Perhaps it becomes secondary, that's why my recommendation is to increase the static objects that allow us to create realistic SAM sites, rather than having ED put a SAM site on the same Map. 

Friends, if you are interested I can upload the information I have about that in addition to a static template that I am uploading with the air defense sector 1 (Proximities of BAGHDAD). I share a little bit of what I'm working on. 

Greetings!!

[Huilque151]

On 12/31/2024 at 7:42 PM, Mr_sukebe said:

I’m waiting for the southern part of the  map to be implemented before even trying to work on Desert Storm.  That will hopefully include much of what we’re looking for.

In the short term, I’ve put together an initial version of Desert Shield, including a bunch of Iraqi units and a single US carrier group, which is vaguely representative of the status around a month after the invasion of Kuwait

Cool! please shared your progress! will be awesome can talk about Desert Shield! regards! 

[Mr_sukebe]

Very happy to.

In my case I searched for PDF documents that summarised the wars (Iran/Iraq, Desert Sheild, Storm and then the invasion).  I found around 15.  The "area of opportunity" being that each was 100-700 pages long, so probably close to 5000 pages in total, i.e. rather a lot to go through by hand.

That's when Notebook LM came to the rescue.  Notebook LM is a free AI tool that allows the user to upload circa 50 docs at any time and then interrogate them as you would whilst using say ChatGPT.

That allows questions such as how many troops, aircraft, SAMs, their locations etc.  It's a whole bunch easier that trailing your way through the material.

My findings were:

• SA2/SA3 units were sited to protect cities
• SA6 units were sited at military/strategic sites
• SA8s, and AAA units were rather spread about
• Specific locations for units in say Kuwait were not fixed.  I assume that the Iraqis changed their positions
• I did find which divisions were most involved in the assaults into Iran and also in Kuwait
• Tanks units included T55s, T62s and T72s, with the Republican guard getting most of the T72s.  They also had some T59s, i.e. Chinese copies of T54s.  Lastly there was mention of them having upto 130 Chieftains, that they'd captured from the Iranians.  No idea how accurate that figure is.  My assumption is that a good deal of them were not very well
• Tank brigades seemed to have around 30 (ish) MBTs, and then a similar number of APCs (BTRs) some artillery (15-20 ish) and some air defence (e.g. Shilka and SA8s)
• Soviet procured jets included Mig 19s (or the Chinese equivalent), Mig 21s, Mig 23s, Mig 27s, Mig 25s, Mig 29s, Su25s and L39s.  Interestingly the 25s were stated as primarily recon, or as escort aircraft for senior military staff
• Soviet helicopters were mainly Mi8 and Mi24
• None Russian aircraft included were the Mirage F1, Sa342
• I could see no mention of AWACs capability
• They did have a small navy, but that seems to have been nothing bigger than a corvette and some missile boats.  I seem to remember reading how they tried sailing them to Iran and having the whole lot sunk en masse in a single engagement during Desert Storm

For my Iraq mission I've:

• Included at least one flight of each type of the above aircraft mentioned
• Every city has an Sa2 and Sa3 site along with some AAA that blind fire when a coalition unit is within a trigger range
• All airfields have an Sa6 and some AAA.  I'm conscious that the amount of air defence is "light" when compared to reality.  However, the scenario is likely to be only be used by myself, so making it a little lighter helps balance
• I put together a standard kind of tank brigade with 30 MBTs, 30 APCs, 15 artillery a command group and some air defences, layered in a sensible type of defensive position.  With the new copy tool, that allows very easy replication of the brigade, such that I was quickly able to duplicate and put several in Kuwait, one near Iran, and some more in Iraq
• Added CSAR and CTLD for the choppers
• Added some other target types, e.g. Scud units
• A single allied carrier group including a supercarrier, Tarawa, Invincible and supporting ships
• Some F10 triggered recon flights and defensive flights

There's a lot of units, but it seems to run fine, which rather surprised me, but in a good way.

Going forward, my intent is to build that out when the rest of the map is updated with the intent of:

• I'm hoping that we'll get some Iranian airfields in the north east.  If you look at the map view, Tehran and other major cities are shown.  It even includes airfields.  Unfortunately, they're currently just on the map.  Take a flight and it's just rolling terrain with textures showing the locations.  If we get some airfields, I'll be adding some Iranian gear for the Iran/Iraq war and redeploying the units I've put into Kuwait into Iran.  If don't get airfields, maybe I'll mock up some simple towns anyway
• I get the impression that the south will include not only additional Iranian bases, but also some in Bahrain and Saudi, both of which housed allied gear.  When that happens, I'll build out the allied ground units to be stationed.  

Exciting times.  I've already flown every relevant aircraft that the Iranians had that we have in DCS.  Great fun.

 

Edited January 2 by Mr_sukebe

[graveyard4DCS]

Kuweit.kmlIraq.kmlSaudi Arabia.kml

Here you'll find plenty of real world SAM site locations for the Desert Storm AO.

Use Google Earth's 2002 era pictures to see them more clearly, since many areas have been heavily built on nowadays.

 

[-Vampire-]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:18 PM, Huilque151 said:

Hi @NineLine, @marktuner1960, and guys especial Desert storm conflict fans. First of all, this its not a not happy client post, i love this map, i was waiting for it meaby for 5 years and i spend a lot of time (truly a lot) rejoin this information, i hope useful for the development team and to the mission editors reading this topics (Please help me to shared this file with the development team). Alright! this PDF include information, images and locations of::

1.  14 Coalitions main airfields  on Saudia Arabia.
2. US Navy & US marines corps land deployment airfields, FARPS locations and CV stations on sea.
3. 34 Iraqi and Kuwait major airfields and major FLOs targeted by coalitions during ODS.
4. 40 Points of interest related to:
   1. Coalitions leadership and command. 
   2. Iraqi leadership and command. 
   3. Iraqi Nuclear, Biological, chemical and conventional weapons facilities.
   4. Iraqi communications facilities.
   5.  Iraqi Oil facilities. (Included related to Kirkuk - Haifa oil pipeline; Backbone of Iraq oil industry)
   6.  Iraqi Power plants.
   7.  Iraqi Naval and port facilities.
   8.  Iraqi Rail yards and Bridges. 
5. Area of interest. 
   1. SCUD launch zones.
   2. Kuwait burning oil fields field.
   3. Ground war and aerial support operations area.
6. Static objects related to Air defense and Scud. 
7. Suggestions and finals word.
   1. attached files: 
      1. the English & Spanish version of this PDF.
      2. Google earth KMZ file (recommend used the Historical image tools) A few of POI structures doesn't exist today.) 

SUGGESTIONS & FINALS WORDS.

Westerns Coalition airfields. 

The Airspace available on this map its huge, i really glad of that, but, almost the 25% of the airspace its not operational usable, because, the only Easter disposition of the coalitions airbases will force fly only north west to reach the North and South Iraq and Kuwait. To allow the use of that airspace i will suggest add westerns Airbases or airfield even if that include a map expansion ( in some alternatives to west or only a little to south. 

• Including the bases of Riyadh AB, Al Kharj Air base, King Faisal AB in Tabuk and Al-Jouf FOB (Task force normandy deploy FOB).
• If that its not possible pleas considerate to add the city of Medina and its Prince Mohammad Bin Abdulaziz Airport. , model the city of Riyadh and its air base and the Al Kharj Air base and Al-Jouf FOB.   

Detailed modeling of POI and AOI.

Performing detailed modeling of the recommended POIs, especially Nuclear, CW and BW, and increasing static objects for the simulation of SAM and SCUD Sites would give a positive and significant impact to the IRAQ map, especially since many youtubers and gamers They recreate and will recreate their missions and videos on this map based on conflicts where operations were mainly visual (CCIP Bombing, LGB Bombing with TGP, Low level Interdiction, CAS, CSAR, etc.) where the detail in the objectives to attack and also the detail of the environment such as changes and esplanades is important in some specific areas mentioned above.

Increase Static Objects and fire effect.
We recommend making a complementary IRAQ ASSET PACK or simply adding new static objects to set the missions that we will carry out in IRAQ MAP with greater precision and detail. The statics related to SCUD and anti-aircraft defenses (Similar to SAM site assets pack) are especially important. Also please considerate make more bigger (10.000 & 20.000 ft vertical size of the Smoke and fire effect) to recreate the huge smoke column of burning kuwait oil fields.  

I hope this document will be helpful to the development team in the development of the map and to my virtual pilot colleagues who develop missions on this map.
I Hope everyone are having a nice holidays.  

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Attached# 1: PDF with more than 80 images of POI & AOF.
Google Earth KMZ File with POI, AOI & Airfields locations, images and aircraft deployment info. (Exportable to CF)

DCS IRAQ MAP - Suggestions and points of interest (English).pdf 12.68 MB · 27 downloads DCS IRAQ MAP - Sugerencias y puntos de interes (Español).pdf 12.67 MB · 10 downloads ANEXO #1 pictures of POI V0.1.pdf 10.27 MB · 22 downloads Operation Desert storm v 0.1.kmz 6.06 MB · 7 downloads

Greetings!
Can!t open or download the PDF attachments.

[curioso007]

Hi everyone,
Maybe you have the coordinates of the EWRs that were attacked by Task Force Normandy on the first night of the war.

Thanks

[SlipHavoc]

4 hours ago, curioso007 said:

Hi everyone,
Maybe you have the coordinates of the EWRs that were attacked by Task Force Normandy on the first night of the war.

Thanks

I've been looking for those for quite a while.  I found two maps where the EWR locations are marked, but they're large scale maps showing the entire country, and the markings are about 12 km square or about 7.5 mi square.  I've spent a while in Google Earth trying to find any sign of the sites in those areas, but haven't found anything definite, even with the historical imagery, although I haven't searched systematically.  But I'm also not sure the markings are correct.  If anyone has exact coordinates that would be much better.  One of the maps is in On A Steel Horse I Ride (a history of the MH-53 helicopters, which guided the TF Normandy strikes among many other things in their long careers), page 338.  Another is this book excerpt about TF Normandy.  The markings are in the same place on both those maps, although I'm pretty sure I've seen another map with the markings in a different place, but now I can't find that map or remember where I saw it.  I'll definitely be following this thread.

Edited January 2 by SlipHavoc
Put 12 sq km, meant 12 km sq, as in a square that's 12 km on a side, or about 144 sq km.

[curioso007]

Hi SlipHavoc,
I've also spent hours on Google Earth and on many posts but I can't find anything, I'll keep trying.

Regards.

(Google Translate)

[Huilque151]

14 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

Muy feliz de ello.

En mi caso, busqué documentos PDF que resumieran las guerras (Irán/Irak, Escudo del Desierto, Tormenta y luego la invasión). Encontré alrededor de 15. El "área de oportunidad" era que cada una tenía entre 100 y 700 páginas, por lo que probablemente había cerca de 5000 páginas en total, es decir, mucho para leer a mano.

Ahí es cuando Notebook LM llegó al rescate. Notebook LM es una herramienta de inteligencia artificial gratuita que permite al usuario cargar alrededor de 50 documentos en cualquier momento y luego consultarlos como lo haría al usar, por ejemplo, ChatGPT.

Esto permite hacer preguntas como cuántas tropas, aviones, SAM, sus ubicaciones, etc. Es mucho más fácil que seguir el material.

Mis hallazgos fueron:

• Las unidades SA2/SA3 se situaron para proteger las ciudades.
• Las unidades SA6 se situaron en sitios militares/estratégicos
• Las unidades SA8 y AAA estaban bastante dispersas.
• No se fijaron las ubicaciones específicas de las unidades, por ejemplo en Kuwait. Supongo que los iraquíes cambiaron sus posiciones.
• Descubrí qué divisiones estuvieron más involucradas en los ataques a Irán y también a Kuwait.
• Las unidades de tanques incluían T55, T62 y T72, y la guardia republicana se quedó con la mayoría de los T72. También tenían algunos T59, es decir, copias chinas de los T54. Por último, se mencionó que tenían hasta 130 Chieftains, que habían capturado a los iraníes. No tengo idea de cuán precisa es esa cifra. Supongo que muchos de ellos no estaban muy bien
• Las brigadas de tanques parecían tener alrededor de 30 (aproximadamente) MBT, y luego una cantidad similar de APC (BTR), algo de artillería (aproximadamente 15-20) y algo de defensa aérea (por ejemplo, Shilka y SA8).
• Entre los aviones adquiridos por los soviéticos se encontraban los MiG 19 (o su equivalente chino), los MiG 21, los MiG 23, los MiG 27, los MiG 25, los MiG 29, los Su25 y los L39. Curiosamente, los 25 se declaraban destinados principalmente a misiones de reconocimiento o como aviones de escolta para el personal militar de alto rango.
• Los helicópteros soviéticos eran principalmente Mi8 y Mi24.
• Ninguno de los aviones rusos incluidos fue el Mirage F1, Sa342
• No pude ver ninguna mención de la capacidad de los AWAC.
• Tenían una pequeña armada, pero parece que no era más grande que una corbeta y algunos barcos lanzamisiles. Me parece recordar que leí cómo intentaron navegar con ellos hasta Irán y cómo se hundieron todos en masa en un solo combate durante la Operación Tormenta del Desierto.

Para mi misión en Irak he:

• Incluyó al menos un vuelo de cada tipo de las aeronaves mencionadas anteriormente
• Cada ciudad tiene un sitio Sa2 y Sa3 junto con algunos AAA que disparan a ciegas cuando una unidad de la coalición está dentro del rango de activación.
• Todos los aeródromos tienen un Sa6 y algo de AAA. Soy consciente de que la cantidad de defensa aérea es "ligera" en comparación con la realidad. Sin embargo, es probable que el escenario solo lo use yo, por lo que hacerlo un poco más ligero ayuda a equilibrarlo.
• Reuní una brigada de tanques estándar con 30 tanques de batalla principales, 30 vehículos blindados, 15 artillerías, un grupo de mando y algunas defensas aéreas, todo ello en capas, en una posición defensiva de tipo sensato. Con la nueva herramienta de copia, que permite una replicación muy sencilla de la brigada, de modo que pude duplicar rápidamente y colocar varias en Kuwait, una cerca de Irán y algunas más en Irak.
• Se agregaron CSAR y CTLD para los helicópteros.
• Se agregaron otros tipos de objetivos, por ejemplo, unidades Scud.
• Un solo grupo de portaaviones aliado que incluye un superportaaviones, Tarawa, Invincible y barcos de apoyo.
• Algunos F10 activaron vuelos de reconocimiento y vuelos defensivos.

Hay muchas unidades, pero parece funcionar bien, lo que me sorprendió bastante, pero en el buen sentido.

De ahora en adelante, mi intención es desarrollar eso cuando se actualice el resto del mapa con la intención de:

• Espero que tengamos algunos aeródromos iraníes en el noreste. Si miras la vista del mapa, se muestran Teherán y otras ciudades importantes. Incluso incluye aeródromos. Desafortunadamente, actualmente solo están en el mapa. Toma un vuelo y solo verás un terreno ondulado con texturas que muestran las ubicaciones. Si conseguimos algunos aeródromos, agregaré algo de equipo iraní para la guerra entre Irán e Irak y redistribuiré las unidades que puse en Kuwait en Irán. Si no conseguimos aeródromos, tal vez haga una maqueta de algunas ciudades simples de todos modos.
• Tengo la impresión de que el sur incluirá no sólo bases iraníes adicionales, sino también algunas en Bahréin y Arabia Saudita, que albergaban equipos aliados. Cuando eso suceda, prepararé las unidades terrestres aliadas que se instalarán.  

Son tiempos emocionantes. Ya he volado en todos los aviones relevantes que tenían los iraníes y que tenemos en DCS. Fue muy divertido.

 

Awesome tool dude, thank for sharing! i will shared mi work on a desert shield.miz regards!

 

6 hours ago, -Vampire- said:

Saludos!
No puedo abrir ni descargar los archivos PDF adjuntos.

Hi Vampiro, there its the PDF again. 

DCS IRAQ MAP - Puntos de interes (Español).pdf DCS IRAQ MAP - Suggestions and points of interest (English).pdf DCS IRAQ MAP - Sugerencias y puntos de interes (Español).pdf ANEXO #1 pictures of POI V0.1.pdf

[Huilque151]

11 hours ago, graveyard4DCS said:

Kuwait.kml 20,44 kB · 4 descargas Irak.kml 196,87 kB · 7 descargas Arabia Saudita.kml 102,95 kB · 3 descargas

Aquí encontrarás muchas ubicaciones de sitios SAM del mundo real para el AO Tormenta del Desierto.

Utilice las imágenes de la era 2002 de Google Earth para verlas con más claridad, ya que hoy en día muchas áreas están muy edificadas.

 

@cementerio4DCS This info its awesome!! Very impressive work!
@Nueve líneas  !! please considerate see this work. 

Thanks bro.

[Huilque151]

6 hours ago, curioso007 said:

Hola a todos,
quizás tengáis las coordenadas de los EWR que fueron atacados por la Fuerza de Tarea Normandía en la primera noche de la guerra.

Gracias

I was looking for this place for a long time and I reached more than 1 place that in some cases was a point without a trace of anything in the middle of the desert, according to some reference points indicated in some videos, the flight hours and the flight speed . , the place is around what is indicated in the image. If you ask me, where the pins are, they are places very similar to those seen in the images of the Apache Gunners and comply with the flight distance. In the red triangles I once saw some references to where they we
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[HwSpring]

Regarding Task Force Normandy Radars, I have been trying to locate them for some time now... Based on the articles I've read about helicopter attack on them - they should be somewhere West of the road which goes from the border at Al Judaida, via Ar Rattawi towards Al-Nukhib. In the article it was said that spare units were holding pattern north of Arar in Saudi Arabia just south of Iraqi border. Now this would make sense because that part of desert on Iraqi side is quite hilly, so I was trying to find the former EW sites by elevation as well as relatively easy road access. So far found possible location but it may be too far to the West and too close to the border... I will keep looking... 

Coordinates if somebody is interested: 
 32° 1'13.63"N

 40°23'29.27"E

[HwSpring]

13 minutes ago, Huilque151 said:

I was looking for this place for a long time and I reached more than 1 place that in some cases was a point without a trace of anything in the middle of the desert, according to some reference points indicated in some videos, the flight hours and the flight speed . , the place is around what is indicated in the image. If you ask me, where the pins are, they are places very similar to those seen in the images of the Apache Gunners and comply with the flight distance. In the red triangles I once saw some references to where they we
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This looks promising. Thank you. 

[Mr_sukebe]

That’s why this community works so well, we actually help each other and share 

[Stratos]

I know is a long shot, but anyone know where in Saudi Arabia are those training pics during Desert Shield taken?

[rcjonessnp175]

From Grok

 

 

“Based on the image you provided, it appears to show military aircraft flying over a desert landscape with mountainous terrain. This type of scenery is typical of several regions in Saudi Arabia. One likely location could be near the King Khalid Military City in the northeastern part of the country, which is situated in a desert area with similar mountainous features. However, without specific landmarks or additional context, pinpointing the exact location within Saudi Arabia is challenging. 

If you have any more details or specific landmarks in mind, please let me know!”

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

I know is a long shot, but anyone know where in Saudi Arabia are those training pics during Desert Shield taken?

Based on the image you provided, it appears to show military aircraft flying over a desert landscape with mountainous terrain. This type of scenery is typical of several regions in Saudi Arabia. One likely location could be near the King Khalid Military City in the northeastern part of the country, which is situated in a desert area with similar mountainous features. However, without specific landmarks or additional context, pinpointing the exact location within Saudi Arabia is challenging. 

If you have any more details or specific landmarks in mind, please let me know!

“Based on the desert landscape and the type of military aircraft shown in the image, this scene is likely from the Tabuk region in northwestern Saudi Arabia. Tabuk is known for its rugged terrain and has several military bases, including King Faisal Air Base, which could be a plausible location for such aircraft operations. The landscape features rocky outcrops and expansive sand dunes, which match the scenery in your image.”

[rcjonessnp175]

Given the dramatic canyon landscape in the image, this scene is likely from the region around Al-Ula in northwestern Saudi Arabia. Al-Ula is known for its stunning rock formations and canyons, similar to what is depicted in your photo. The area is also historically significant with sites like Mada'in Saleh, and it's not uncommon for military exercises or photo ops to take place in such visually striking locations.

[Stratos]

Then we can train in Sinai map once they add Tabuk, and redeploy to Easter Saudi Arabia for combat ops. Thanks mate!!

[Huilque151]

10 hours ago, rcjonessnp175 said:

From Grok

 

 

“Based on the image you provided, it appears to show military aircraft flying over a desert landscape with mountainous terrain. This type of scenery is typical of several regions in Saudi Arabia. One likely location could be near the King Khalid Military City in the northeastern part of the country, which is situated in a desert area with similar mountainous features. However, without specific landmarks or additional context, pinpointing the exact location within Saudi Arabia is challenging. 

If you have any more details or specific landmarks in mind, please let me know!”

Based on the image you provided, it appears to show military aircraft flying over a desert landscape with mountainous terrain. This type of scenery is typical of several regions in Saudi Arabia. One likely location could be near the King Khalid Military City in the northeastern part of the country, which is situated in a desert area with similar mountainous features. However, without specific landmarks or additional context, pinpointing the exact location within Saudi Arabia is challenging. 

If you have any more details or specific landmarks in mind, please let me know!

“Based on the desert landscape and the type of military aircraft shown in the image, this scene is likely from the Tabuk region in northwestern Saudi Arabia. Tabuk is known for its rugged terrain and has several military bases, including King Faisal Air Base, which could be a plausible location for such aircraft operations. The landscape features rocky outcrops and expansive sand dunes, which match the scenery in your image.”

Hello friend, I couldn't tell you what exercise that photo is from, but I can tell you that those F-15C (Tail code EG) are from the 33d Tactical Fighter Wing (Provisional)
Deployed from Eglin Air Force Base, Florida Headquarters to King Faisal Air Base, Tabuk, Saudi Arabia, 
Unfortunately, that base and the Tabuk region (and city) are outside the limits of the map. 

Regarding the exercises performed and the training areas; I can share an image with you and also tell you that during desert shield they did a lot of exercises, being the biggest one; the Internal Look exercise. In volume IV of the power survey you can read about the training of the coalition. greetings!

AFD-100927-066.pdf

[Mav87th]

I have been doing a little research as well for preparation for some "Hogs in the Sand" missions. I seem to have found the correct kill box layout in the theater of operations, which makes it a lot more less difficult to decipher the descriptions of missions in various books written by pilots where they refer to kill boxes fx.

I also found the approximate placement of some of the tanker tracks, and i know that in Buck Wyndhams book there are several references to the names of these tanker tracks as well.

So far i have made the kill boxes as trigger zones, as i plan to use them as zones anyway and see no idea in doing them two times, but it might be easier to share them as "draw" graphic then as a strip of lua code you would have to insert into the mission file..

 

Edited January 6 by Mav87th

[graveyard4DCS]

For those curious about it, I wrote about the CGRS grid you are talking about in an earlier post. My  source is different and confirms the grid origins.