Eurofighter 2026+ release?

[TobiasA]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb zerO_crash:

 

It´s very obvious that we are NOT interpreting anything. What´s done, is the FAQ taken at face value, and then questioned with regards to the information provided through it. I suggest you read up on communication, and FAQs are one of the ways that a company can communicate with its customers by. We all know that everything is subject to change, however the question is about how that plan even comes up. Also, this isn´t a HB specific case, rather an ED/Heatblur one, as the statement is made by a mod "belonging" to ED. To truth is also that "we" don´t know, however devs certainly have a time plan. Afterall, we're asking for a very general explanation, not a specific release date.

 

As to toxicity of the community, while that tends to be the case with Reddit, it is not replicated here on the forums (not by a long shot!).

 

Tobias, I think that if you don´t have much to add, attempting to suppress a very valid question is out of order. There is the door (points finger)!

 

EDIT:

I will also add, that whilst much of the fresh community might cause noise, there are those of us who have been here from the start who accepted the long development times. The concept of one general community is elusive at best, and there will neither be lynching party, nor one claiming obligatory blame. The devs are made aware through the thread that there is a potential miscommunicated message, and they will chime in as they see fit. Enough on that.

I'm not suppressing any questions, I am saying that you won't get an answer, and I already named the reasons for that. Just remember, the second it is written here, Reddit will have a screenshot of it and the storm will rise.

I will never try to suppress this question, as I am very well interested in the EF and it is my most anticipated module besides the Tornado, even more anticipated as the possibility to see my hometown in DCS.

[MAXsenna]

This is an international community. Things WILL and tend to get lost in translation and misunderstood.
I re-read the whole thread. "Toxicity" was used once, and no one, (noone is not a word), claimed the community was. It was just highlighted that HB probably learned their lesson. For good reason. And it's funny coming from a person that clearly is condescending and ridicules other users, when said user is using accents ``` instead of apostrophes ' ' ', doesn't use a/an correctly and use nonexistent words like "afterall".
It's not so cool being on the receiving end, is it?
Cheers!

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[zerO_crash]

1 hour ago, TobiasA said:

I'm not suppressing any questions, I am saying that you won't get an answer, and I already named the reasons for that. Just remember, the second it is written here, Reddit will have a screenshot of it and the storm will rise.

I will never try to suppress this question, as I am very well interested in the EF and it is my most anticipated module besides the Tornado, even more anticipated as the possibility to see my hometown in DCS.

 

I am aware of how toxics operate. Luckily, I guess that whoever is smart, will simply not bother with Hoggit or "ThetruthaboutDCS". It might not have come across clearly, but what´s being asked for in this thread, is really just an indication of what the current prediction is. Ultimately, DCS lives on people who are loyal and avid customers, not those who burn out after 2-3 modules and more drama than practical discussion. At the end of the day, as a public entity, you will always be damned if you do, and damned if you don´t. Just happens to be the prerogative of our times. Still, we all know that in the agreement we have (customers) with ED (and effectively any 3rd party), is that "Everything is subject to change". An indication, or rather a clarification in this case, harms no one (other than a few individuals locked away in a bunker, running a troll farm). 

 

Let´s wait and see if any official statement is made on this. If not, then we'll simply have to wait until it´s closer to the release of either module. We´ve managed before, we´ll manage again.

Edited January 19 by zerO_crash

[zerO_crash]

11 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

This is an international community. Things WILL and tend to get lost in translation and misunderstood.
I re-read the whole thread. "Toxicity" was used once, and no one, (noone is not a word), claimed the community was. It was just highlighted that HB probably learned their lesson. For good reason. And it's funny coming from a person that clearly is condescending and ridicules other users, when said user is using accents ``` instead of apostrophes ' ' ', doesn't use a/an correctly and use nonexistent words like "afterall".
It's not so cool being on the receiving end, is it?
Cheers!

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
 

 

You apparently need to have a look in the Oxford dictionary:

https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=after+all

 

Apparently all a/an would be used correctly. In the event I happen to quickly write on a phone, it does get corrected ASAP afterwards. Just happens to be nature of the fast-paced world we live in. Same goes for accents and apostrophes. If you wonder about anything there, shoot me a PM, that in respect to the thread and avoiding derail. (Not sure where the "noone" came from, nothing I can find. Maybe you can point to it?)

 

As to condescending, nothing like so. Thus far, I see in this thread an accusation against the threadstarter that he/she confuses people, which obviously is not the case. But then internet being internet (anonymous), everything is left as is, with no feel for needing to correct oneself. 

[MAXsenna]

21 minutes ago, zerO_crash said:

You apparently need to have a look in the Oxford dictionary:

https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=after+all

You're funny. PM Sendt. 

[BigBorner]

This has been said on the HB Discord. For me that sounds there is some truth to the 2026 release. 

But we`ll see. 

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[J_Ardian]

sad, but i will not lose hope, i still want eurofitgher to release this year, its been 3 years..
and it was mostly shown in the traile of 2025 and beyond, but probably doesnt mean that it will come, but i still want it to release this year

[Neor]

I’m pretty sure HB doesn’t actually know what the release date for the EF will be. Maybe they have a "calculated" date that keeps shifting every time a new problem comes up. And when you’re developing a module like that, there are bound to be constant new issues. I understand why they’re staying silent, no matter what they say, people would criticize them anyway. So staying silent is probably the only valid option. If I had to guess, I’d say it’ll take at least another two years from now, but honestly, who knows?

[Rikus]

On 1/17/2025 at 5:36 AM, afnav130 said:

I honestly don't see how the Eurofighter can't come out this year when it was shown so heavily on the 2025 video. But you are correct, it sure seems that way. 

MIG29 appears in 2024 and beyond and we still don´t have it.

[MAXsenna]

MIG29 appears in 2024 and beyond and we still don´t have it.

2026 is beyond too!
It's coming, probably this year.

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[Raviel29]

I see that my previous post has sparked quite a bit of discussion, including some debate about the tone of the thread. One thing I’d like to emphasize is that the appearance of the Eurofighter in the trailer has elicited strong emotions—very positive ones for me personally. Coming from Europe, I view the Eurofighter and Rafale as unrivaled leaders among modern fighters. While aircraft like the American F-16, F-18, and now the F-35 have undoubtedly benefited from strong marketing, my admiration for the Eurofighter goes beyond that. After all, the Meteor missile won’t ask you how popular you are and will hug you anyway.

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, Raviel29 said:

I see that my previous post has sparked quite a bit of discussion, including some debate about the tone of the thread.

Nah, you don't say!  

2 hours ago, Raviel29 said:

After all, the Meteor missile won’t ask you how popular you are and will hug you anyway.

 

[Spectre11]

On 1/24/2025 at 11:10 PM, Rikus said:

MIG29 appears in 2024 and beyond and we still don´t have it.

Or maybe it was simply a reaction to the almost daily asked, "any news", "is it still alive" and "we want updates" requests from the community. A bone thrown so that the barking dogs are happy for a while.

[Lurker]

As long as it's released before I die, I think I'll be glad. If it gets released after I croak, I will be dead and won't care either way

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 1/16/2025 at 10:36 PM, afnav130 said:

I honestly don't see how the Eurofighter can't come out this year when it was shown so heavily on the 2025 video. But you are correct, it sure seems that way. 

There's always some wrench that can drop into the works.

You know the anecdote of "The Sword of Damocles" that's meant to illustrate the ever-present dangers being an individual in power?

In programming, it's the Wrench of Damocles.

[JOYFUL_CLOVR]

I know we got a lot of the Eurofighter in the 2025 and Beyond video, but my concern is that while we got a lot of external shots, there were none of the cockpit. This makes be think that they still have quite a bit to do. Realistically, I believe a 2026+ release would be in the cards. Ultimately, we won't know anything unless HB/TG decide to divulge any updates to the project.

Edited January 29 by JOYFUL_CLOVR

[Df555]

On 1/25/2025 at 7:40 PM, Raviel29 said:

I see that my previous post has sparked quite a bit of discussion, including some debate about the tone of the thread. One thing I’d like to emphasize is that the appearance of the Eurofighter in the trailer has elicited strong emotions—very positive ones for me personally. Coming from Europe, I view the Eurofighter and Rafale as unrivaled leaders among modern fighters. While aircraft like the American F-16, F-18, and now the F-35 have undoubtedly benefited from strong marketing, my admiration for the Eurofighter goes beyond that. After all, the Meteor missile won’t ask you how popular you are and will hug you anyway.

Eurofighter is fast, beautiful and maneuverable, with powerful weapons. Definitely the crown of the 4th generation. But it should be inferior to the 5th generation, otherwise there would be no point in the 5th generation. Of course, the F-35 looks like the complete opposite of the Eurofighter. But still, I think Lockheed Martin knew what they were doing, the F-35 just has to be effective, compensating for its shortcomings with stealth, although it is a little sad and boring.

Edited January 29 by Df555

[Horns]

On 1/25/2025 at 10:40 PM, Raviel29 said:

I see that my previous post has sparked quite a bit of discussion, including some debate about the tone of the thread. One thing I’d like to emphasize is that the appearance of the Eurofighter in the trailer has elicited strong emotions—very positive ones for me personally. Coming from Europe, I view the Eurofighter and Rafale as unrivaled leaders among modern fighters. While aircraft like the American F-16, F-18, and now the F-35 have undoubtedly benefited from strong marketing, my admiration for the Eurofighter goes beyond that. After all, the Meteor missile won’t ask you how popular you are and will hug you anyway.

If you're talking about DCS aircraft I might agree, but if we're talking IRL I think perhaps you are forgetting the F-22. I'm impressed with the EF and to some extent the Rafale, but I don't think either of those can compete with a Raptor, even with the EF having the Meteor... but each to their own I guess  

[cfrag]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:55 PM, zerO_crash said:

Ultimately, DCS lives on people who are loyal and avid customers, not those who burn out after 2-3 modules and more drama than practical discussion.

That's an assertion that I strongly question. I posit that the total income from customers who bought 3 modules or less is much higher than the total income generated by customers who buy 4+ modules. DCS is on a one-off payment schedule, only future sales count, past sales are irrelevant. My take on DCS's current portfolio is that 2 planes and one helicopter are in active support (Hornet, Viper, and Apache), and ED now bet the farm on Fat Amy generating massive future income. It must be a success after their past couple of launches faltered. That's the consequence of not having a steady income stream.

So, if there are planes that people buy in droves it would be one or two of those three, not much else, and many depart from DCS after a few years. I daresay that the percentage of all ED customers who own less than 4 modules is 80%+. So I assert (without proof) that ED lives on the spur-of-moment buyers, not the loyal customers. TBH, if the latter were the case, I posit that ED'd engage with their long-time customers very differently.

On 1/19/2025 at 10:55 PM, zerO_crash said:

I am aware of how toxics operate.

Strangely enough, at least to my badly-tuned, non-native English mind, your posts do seem to have a tendency to come across as abrasive. Probably not intentionally, and maybe only to foreigners. Please take this as well-intentioned feedback, not an attack.

On 1/25/2025 at 3:40 PM, Raviel29 said:

After all, the Meteor missile won’t ask you how popular you are and will hug you anyway.

That's popular democratic Europe for you: all inclusive. In stark contrast to managed-democracy AIM-120s that are very picky whom they interact with

One thing I do have to mention: I rather enjoyed the 'leaves reading session' what which word from a post meant in which juxtaposition to other words. Reminds of the good old times "Half-Life 3" divining sessions. Hopefully the Rafale and Typhoon make it some day to DCS. There is no guarantee that they will. One thing is sure, though: no matter how much hassle HB got when they delayed the F4, they need to create excitement from a business perspective, so of course they and ED will hype it up. Nobody will be able to miss the uptick in chatter, should the time approach. And remember: even if these new models are talked up, there's a good 30% chance that they still won't make it. IIRC, that's DCS's current hit/miss ratio with modules (yeah, MAC, I'm looking at you)

 

Edited January 30 by cfrag

[BIGNEWY]

7 minutes ago, cfrag said:

It must be a success after their past couple of launches faltered.

Sorry cfrag but you are talking nonsense, you don't have any clue about the finances or the success of any of the modules. your assumptions are wrong. 

thank you  

[cfrag]

Just now, BIGNEWY said:

Sorry cfrag but you are talking nonsense, you don't have any clue about the finances or the success of any of the modules. your assumptions are wrong. 

Thank you BN, that is indeed good to hear.

[TobiasA]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb cfrag:

I daresay that the percentage of all ED customers who own less than 4 modules is 80%+.

I know no one that only owns one module. Just saying. Most of them have a ton of modules but only fly like 20% of them regularly. Like I do with my strike eagle...

[cfrag]

Just now, TobiasA said:

I know no one that only owns one module. Just saying.

You presence here alone virtually guarantees that you are part of the multi-module owning, probably 10+ module-owning crowd. This is a self-selecting group. We are not the majority. We are, however, the connoisseur, so to speak. Those who know and enjoy a good thing.   

[TobiasA]

vor 23 Minuten schrieb cfrag:

You presence here alone virtually guarantees that you are part of the multi-module owning, probably 10+ module-owning crowd. This is a self-selecting group. We are not the majority. We are, however, the connoisseur, so to speak. Those who know and enjoy a good thing.   

Yes, but I doubt that the majority of the people that get into DCS and can afford it stop after a few modules. However, we don't know and nobody will tell.

[cfrag]

27 minutes ago, TobiasA said:

I doubt that the majority of the people that get into DCS and can afford it stop after a few modules.

That would be nice, yet entirely against gamer social patterns. Behavioral patterns tell us that those who do purchase would probably buy a lower-cost/high return module (e.g. Flaming Cliffs) or iconic FF module, play for a while, and eventually lose interest. That's typically around 50% of those who purchase. A part of the remaining 50% progress to a FF module, and we again face a 50% fall-off after some time. Prime issue here is the - compared to other entertainment titles - relatively high acquisition cost of modules, and dearth of high-quality content (missions, campaigns). To me it's similar to titles with low end-game content: nothing left to do. These are strong gating functions for entertainment titles. From there, the remaining 25% will see a stronger tendency to remain, meaning that those who do remain will be likely to purchase an additional map, and have a good likelihood to slowly acquire more modules. This is also the crowd that is likely to supply on-line players.

But indeed, although we may come up with great models for customer distribution, retention, price elasticity and spending habits, I really know nothing, and all I'm writing is purely (mildly educated) conjecture, and a lot of wishful thinking - I want ED to be as successful and around for as long as possible. 

Edited January 30 by cfrag