fixed F-5E FC has TACAN beeps on hot start - can't turn it off

[virgo47]

In FC3 we traditionally have minimal control for RWR, but in the new addition F-5E, I tried all the modes (1-7, not all of them applicable) - and the TACAN sound is still on. Is there a way to disable it? I checked the new manual, can't claim I've read it, but searching for "volume", "sound", "tone" or TCN/TACAN didn't show anything, or anything relevant.

Otherwise, I enjoy this simplified F-5.

[Ironhand]

You might want to check for something under the aircraft in “Controls”.

[virgo47]

1 hour ago, Ironhand said:

You might want to check for something under the aircraft in “Controls”.

I went through most sections sans various View and camera-related stuff, do you know what exactly? Or by "Controls" you mean something else?

[Ironhand]

5 hours ago, virgo47 said:

I went through most sections sans various View and camera-related stuff, do you know what exactly? Or by "Controls" you mean something else?

No, that’s what I was referring to. It was just a thought. Hopefully, it wasn’t something that required a knob turn in the FF model and was overlooked in the FC simplification process.

[virgo47]

3 hours ago, Ironhand said:

No, that’s what I was referring to. It was just a thought. Hopefully, it wasn’t something that required a knob turn in the FF model and was overlooked in the FC simplification process.

I believe it is. Probably the easiest thing is to simply hard-code the TACAN code silent, we don't have this kind of nav-listening in other simplified models either.

This only seems to affect hot-started plane (ramp or on takeoff) on airfields with TCN station.

No sound for "ground hot" planes, even on airfield with TCN, nor cold planes, nor flying ones, obviously.

Video (first TCN code around 0:44):

Test mission with slots clearly named, including yes/no-tcn in the name, is attached. I wanted to make a TRK, but while it seems possible to save multi-client TRK, there is no error when attempting to, the trk is not created.

f5fc-test.miz

Edited July 13, 2024 by virgo47

[Kang]

Does the new FC-fied version have any sort of TACAN controls at all?

The regular F5 has the TACAN pre-tuned to the base automatically if put in the mission as 'hot on runway'. Might be the whole thing is in there somewhere and they just removed the controls.

[virgo47]

4 hours ago, Kang said:

Does the new FC-fied version have any sort of TACAN controls at all?

The regular F5 has the TACAN pre-tuned to the base automatically if put in the mission as 'hot on runway'. Might be the whole thing is in there somewhere and they just removed the controls.

No, there are no TACAN controls, only typical FC waypoint up/down. I believe this is an omission from the full-fidelity module and the TACAN. I wasn't sure in my original post, but I believe there should be no TACAN controls - and no TACAN sound either. That would be FC style.

[Ironhand]

I don’t imagine “RShift+N” does anything, does it?

[virgo47]

1 hour ago, Ironhand said:

I don’t imagine “RShift+N” does anything, does it?

You better say what action you mean, I have nothing bound to that and I'm not sure what it's supposed to do. I checked F-5E default keyboard config Lua, nothing with 'N' there either, neither in UiLayer keyboard config. So it doesn't do anything in the mission, I tried.

[Ironhand]

That’s the key command to “silence warnings” or however it’s phrased available in some FC3 pits. Was wondering if maybe it would work for that, even though it’s not a warning in your case.

[virgo47]

48 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

That’s the key command to “silence warnings” or however it’s phrased available in some FC3 pits. Was wondering if maybe it would work for that, even though it’s not a warning in your case.

I see what you mean now, it's Audible Warning Reset action for FC planes. But that doesn't work for this one either.

[cthulhu68]

Same thing with Kiowa and Huey (maybe all modules). TACAN turned on with hot start. Not sure if its new but in audio theres a slider for Helmet. Turning that down lowers warnings and the TACAN.

Edited July 13, 2024 by cthulhu68

[virgo47]

On 7/13/2024 at 8:41 PM, cthulhu68 said:

Same thing with Kiowa and Huey (maybe all modules). TACAN turned on with hot start. Not sure if its new but in audio theres a slider for Helmet. Turning that down lowers warnings and the TACAN.

The problem is not that modules have TACAN on when starting hot. The problem is that no FC module used TACAN (I believe) and now F-5E FC behaves like full-fidelity F-5E start, without any way to turn the sound off.

I believe the TACAN being on while hot starting at a TACAN-available aerodrome is a good default. Just like other nav aids being tuned to the aerodrome where you start.

EDIT: But this should not be applied to FC3 aircrafts unless they support TACAN. Which they generally don't.

Edited January 20 by virgo47

[virgo47]

When FC F-5 is started hot on TCN-enabled aerodrome, its TCN morse code is beeping, but there is no way to turn it off. This is probably some feature spill from the full fidelity F-5 which should not be there. Mentioned previously right after the FC2024 release here:

This is still a problem after the latest 2025-01-20 patch.

[Flappie]

Issue reported. Thank you for the mission file, @virgo47.

[Flappie]

This should now be fixed with today's update.

[virgo47]

Seems OK to me. Thanks Flappie. It's not mentioned in the changelog, but I take it anyway.