The T-50 (PAK-FA) Thread

[GGTharos]

That job would suit you GG.:music_whistling:

 

You have no idea how ironic it is that you said that. That's the funny part.

[Андрей_Андреевич]

Edited January 30, 2010 by Андрей_Андреевич

[AlexHunter]

I'm not sure whether this plane is powered by AL-41 but it obviously features a tremendous thrust-to-weight ratio. That climb with gear down and no A/B is really impressive. Also, from what I read it will get it's AESA radar onboard somewhere around september.

 

such as from sources related to the T-50, the coefficient of traction to the mass of 1.4, several times revised the video T-50 takeoff, and noticed that he kind of came out not on the , or even at maximum thrust. Vigorous off without maximum thrust or Fast and the afterburner!

 

Sorry to use Google translator.

 

On June, 1st 2009

"... Т-50 (KNS), Т-50 (1), gliders already almost Are ready and already are on definitive assemblage, Т-50 (0) too is fast on A statics will send""...

 

 

Т-50( КНС ),Т-50(1) ,планеры уже почти готовы и уже находятся на окончательной сборке,Т-50(0) тоже скоро на статику отправят"

 

 

On December, 4th 20094 декабря 2009

"Now at my factory manufacture of" Russian stealth "project of PAK FA (perspective A complex of front aircraft) industrial code number Т-50 accustoms . The first The plane, is more exact yet the plane, and KNS (the complex natural stand) Is almost ready to jog fulfilment under gross national product (to airdrome that is). As Only I had a possibility to examine this product, so I it oblazil. Also has fallen in love with it at once.

 

 

"В настоящее время на моем заводе осваивается производство "русского стелса" проекта ПАК ФА (перспективный комплекс фронтовой авиации) производственный шифр Т-50. Первый самолет, точнее еще не самолет, а КНС (комплексный натурный стенд) почти готов к совершению пробежки по ВВП (аэродрому то есть). Как только у меня появилась возможность осмотреть сие изделие, так я его облазил. И влюбился в него сразу.

 

 

Family Su-27 planes it is final handsome men. But Т-50 huge it is a step Forward.

 

Самолеты семейства Су-27 конечно красавцы. Но Т-50 огромный это шаг вперед.

 

 

The size - is less. Tjagovooruzhennost, that is a parity "weight - draught Engines" is simply huge. Factor - 1.4. That is on it To an indicator it should fly as a rocket, without use Aerodynamic qualities. But also aerodynamics - a continuous wing. And Mechanisation covered - unknown. All lomaeetsa and izgibaetstsa. Compartments Arms - are huge for such size of the plane. Avionics let For the present crude but because a front line, but we over it Work every day.

 

Размер - меньше. Тяговооруженность, то есть соотношение "вес - тяга двигателей" просто огромна. Коэффициент - 1.4. То есть по этому показателю он должен летать как ракета, без использования аэродинамических качеств. Но и аэродинамика - сплошное крыло. И механизация крыла - небывалая. Все ломаееца и изгибаецца. Отсеки вооружений - огромны для такого размера самолета. Авионика пусть пока еще сырая, но потому что передовая, но мы каждый день над ней работаем.

 

http://paralay.com/pakfasu.html

[sobek]

 

It has an asymmetric wing surface? Interesting!

[Андрей_Андреевич]

[Андрей_Андреевич]

It has an asymmetric wing surface? Interesting!

 

no it's just a photos angles few different

[zakobi]

Any info on Indias two-seat version?

[topol-m]

I'm not sure whether this plane is powered by AL-41 but it obviously features a tremendous thrust-to-weight ratio. That climb with gear down and no A/B is really impressive. Also, from what I read it will get it's AESA radar onboard somewhere around september.

 

I think I read in the sukhoi forum that it doesn`t use the engine specifically designed for it as it is still being tested. Which if true means when it`s ready the PAK-FA will have even better thrust/weight ratio and much increased acceleration. In a video a representative of Saturn talked about great improvements in the characteristics in comparison with the older engines.

[Pilotasso]

Thrust to wight ratio will be determined when the aircraft is filled with equipment and combat load of fuel. All prototypes kinda like behave as record breakers untill you start stuffing them up. Having said that, it does look to be smaller, and with same engines T/W should be higher than the Flanker. How high it remains to be seen.

[Pilotasso]

 

Interesting comparison isnt it?

 

While the wing looks F-22, the rest looks like YF-23 mixed with Flanker.

 

I have looked on various forums over the world and about 60% of the comparisons mention the blackwidow.

 

BTW are the LERX'es frontal "slats" for boundary layer controll only? or is it for something else? (Air intake flow controll?)

[Shaman]

WOW!:surprise: Almost like some great Japanese Anime :D

[Bucic]

WOW!:surprise: Almost like some great Japanese Anime :D

I was going to say the same when I first saw it! :D

[Maximus_G]

It doesn't look as ugly as I expected it to be. Yet it's no beauty either, so I'll keep the Flanker as my Avatar. :P

I find it quite sexy at about 3/4 front aspect angle. But there are no appropriate pics yet at this aspect.

 

the S-intake stealth feature is obviously missing, but there's other ways to stealth the engine faces.

Apart from those other ways being mentioned by different people (not so much info on that), the main landing gear goes into the ...how should i call it, the air duct section.

 

Because yes, the change from F-18C to E is actually quite significant. Those are NOT the same aircraft.

It's very much like the MiG-35 isn't really a MiG-29 ... not even a little. It might look kinda the same, but ...

True, but being different structurally and in other ways, those aircraft are still very similar aerodynamically; which can't be said about PAK FA + anything else.

[Airway]

For me it looks like a Mig-29 or Su-27 just with alternated exteriour design.

 

Hmm

[topol-m]

Off topic: Now that the PAK-FA has been shown does anyone know when the T-95 will be officially presented?

[CE_Mikemonster]

Why try to reinvent the wheel perhaps..? lol

 

It's as ugly as the F-22, not quite as bad as the F-35 though! :)

 

Would be interested to hear what systems are proposed to be put into it. As we all know F-22 & F-35 aren't all about the hardware..

[A.S]

 

big big burner in a big big world (t-50) :huh:

[tflash]

Well, looking at the size and wing area, my guess is that it is wel equipped for Russia's geographical realities offering both range and high altitude performance. I wonder how high it can fly? 60.000 ft class or higher?

[gigz-on]

Off topic: Now that the PAK-FA has been shown does anyone know when the T-95 will be officially presented?

Soon.. ;)

[Pilotasso]

big big burner in a big big world (t-50) :huh:

 

Well, looking at the size and wing area, my guess is that it is wel equipped for Russia's geographical realities offering both range and high altitude performance. I wonder how high it can fly? 60.000 ft class or higher?

 

 

Yes, both the relative size (and weight) between engines and aircraft, and the stealth features are revealing the philosophy behind this deseign.

 

Big engine on smaller aircraft, and low frontal and lateral profile. Probably a sign it wont have complex RAM.

 

Indians version could be having other features this one doesnt though.

Edited January 30, 2010 by Pilotasso

[Flyby]

Lol ssssh - be vewwy vewwy qwiet! I don't think they noticed...:music_whistling:

yeah bit the video shows the first flight of this plane. It was such a big event that an article about it showed up in my local paper this morning! How quiet do you want it to be?:D It's certainly a nice looking plane. I wonder how long before DCS models this plane or even the Raptor or the F35? Two years, maybe?:smartass: Anyway I wanted to be sure people had a chance to see the plane fly, and not just look at static build-ups.

This is Flyby. out.

[Maximus_G]

Bill Sweetman writes a good article on PAK FA airframe:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a021e786e-04be-426b-ad32-dcbb54b90d00&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

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Although he keeps messing it up with RVV-MD and -SD names.

And i guess the forebody form could be more specifically called "diamond-shaped"?

 

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For me it looks like a Mig-29 or Su-27 just with alternated exteriour design.

 

Hmm

An object different in shape is an object different in aerodynamics (besides its reflectivity) - which is a big part of an airplane. That's my point. PAK FA shares a part of its layout with Su-27 family, but still it's really far from them in shape. I can't say that about MiG-35 or F/A-18E/F for example.

Edited January 30, 2010 by Maximus_G

[topol-m]

yeah bit the video shows the first flight of this plane. It was such a big event that an article about it showed up in my local paper this morning! How quiet do you want it to be?:D It's certainly a nice looking plane. I wonder how long before DCS models this plane or even the Raptor or the F35? Two years, maybe?:smartass: Anyway I wanted to be sure people had a chance to see the plane fly, and not just look at static build-ups.

This is Flyby. out.

 

PAK-FA/F-22/F-35 will never have AFM in DCS. Almost all their systems are secret, as well as their performance. The only think that can be done is just a plane model replacing some of the existent aircraft in the game... For instance mig-29 looking like PAK-FA, what`s the point? :huh: For now the only thing you can do to see it flying is to watch all the videos in the thread I mentioned above starting from page 31 :thumbup:

[pauldy]

I feel that Carlo Kopp would try to push the impossible even harder...

 

pleas for exporting F-22s lol or else all countries relying only on F-35s will have their airforces annihilated..

Edited January 30, 2010 by pauldy

[concrete]

Let us give the name of the PAK FA

 

...therefore, should begin with F....

 

I will first: "Fuc*** good thing" :pilotfly:

 

but for serious, what do you think, is it raptorksy good name!? or?

 

JUST WRITE THE NAME : ...................