waiting for resolution ED/RAZBAM Situation Info & Discussion

[plott1964]

Sorry, I believe you're in accurate.
While entitlement may play a very small role in some consumer interactions, it is not the primary driver of demand. Demand is more accurately characterized by value, market dynamics, consumer behavior, changing expectations, and empowerment.

[Silver_Dragon]

Let's remember, being customers doesn't make us shareholders or give us veto power or control. We only buy a product as end users. "The customer is absolutely right" doesn't apply here. All we'll achieve is destroying this simulation, and then the crying will come.

It's not a matter of sides here either. Many of us have opinions, and we let ourselves be swayed by a meager portion of information... and we believe ourselves to be judges, juries, and executioners. The day Wags and Nick close the Chiringuito, let's see who says "I'll take charge," because it also seems that everyone (as happens on the internet) is "an expert in everything," and our word is the law, and if not, we'll destroy those who don't think like us...

That's why I like to see things from the outside, because these arguments end in the same old thing: nothing. And many believe they have some power over what happens around them.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Well things are getting destroyed little by little, one module at a a time. 

Well, now is four in a row. 

Who knows in the future, because we dont know what modules are outside the file sharing policy since 2018. Lets get faith " in a positive outcome".

[jeventy26]

56 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Let's remember, being customers doesn't make us shareholders or give us veto power or control. We only buy a product as end users. "The customer is absolutely right" doesn't apply here. All we'll achieve is destroying this simulation, and then the crying will come.

It's not a matter of sides here either. Many of us have opinions, and we let ourselves be swayed by a meager portion of information... and we believe ourselves to be judges, juries, and executioners. The day Wags and Nick close the Chiringuito, let's see who says "I'll take charge," because it also seems that everyone (as happens on the internet) is "an expert in everything," and our word is the law, and if not, we'll destroy those who don't think like us...

That's why I like to see things from the outside, because these arguments end in the same old thing: nothing. And many believe they have some power over what happens around them.

nullI think everyone is saying that ED told us that if the 3rd party can't support they would have the files... Does not look like that was true.  So no, we don't have veto power... but you can see promises were made.  ED has admitted they do not in fact have the files. 

[Esac_mirmidon]

We dont know even since 2018 what modules are involved so.....

[alejandr0]

1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Let's remember, being customers doesn't make us shareholders or give us veto power or control. We only buy a product as end users. "The customer is absolutely right" doesn't apply here. All we'll achieve is destroying this simulation, and then the crying will come.

It's not a matter of sides here either. Many of us have opinions, and we let ourselves be swayed by a meager portion of information... and we believe ourselves to be judges, juries, and executioners. The day Wags and Nick close the Chiringuito, let's see who says "I'll take charge," because it also seems that everyone (as happens on the internet) is "an expert in everything," and our word is the law, and if not, we'll destroy those who don't think like us...

That's why I like to see things from the outside, because these arguments end in the same old thing: nothing. And many believe they have some power over what happens around them.

No one's demanding to run ED or dictate every move. But when people invest time and money into a platform, especially over years, it’s reasonable to speak up when something threatens the usability of what they've paid for.

This isn’t about internet “experts” or wanting power.
Silence or deflection only breeds more frustration. Lack of trust does destroy the sim.

[Silver_Dragon]

5 minutes ago, alejandr0 said:

No one's demanding to run ED or dictate every move. But when people invest time and money into a platform, especially over years, it’s reasonable to speak up when something threatens the usability of what they've paid for.

This isn’t about internet “experts” or wanting power.
Silence or deflection only breeds more frustration. Lack of trust does destroy the sim.

All has "invest" time and money here..... the eternal circle.
"Silence or deflection" .... Serious? The same old thing about forcing people to take sides.

Edited 3 hours ago by Silver_Dragon

[alejandr0]

20 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

All has "invest" time and money here..... the eternal circle.
"Silence or deflection" .... Serious? The same old thing about forcing people to take sides.

That’s not the point I’m making. This isn’t about taking sides. It’s about acknowledging that this situation affects real users in tangible ways, and that they have valid concerns.
People are tired of being told to “We are still hoping...” or “wait for a reasonable resolution for our customers” when there's no clear process explained. That’s where the frustration comes from... not from tribalism or a need to pick a side, but from being kept in the dark about what’s next.

I'm not demanding control, just clarity. That’s not unreasonable.

[Silver_Dragon]

5 minutes ago, alejandr0 said:

People are tired of being told to “We are still hoping...” or “wait for a reasonable resolution for our customers” when there's no clear process explained. That’s where the frustration comes from... not from tribalism or a need to pick a side, but from being kept in the dark about what’s next.

I'm not demanding control, just clarity. That’s not unreasonable.

You want clarity in a legal process....... And you keep generalizing, many of us don't care about the "drama".

Edited 2 hours ago by Silver_Dragon

[NineLine]

10 minutes ago, alejandr0 said:

That’s not the point I’m making. This isn’t about taking sides. It’s about acknowledging that this situation affects real users in tangible ways, and that they have valid concerns.
People are tired of being told to “We are still hoping...” or “wait for a reasonable resolution for our customers” when there's no clear process explained. That’s where the frustration comes from... not from tribalism or a need to pick a side, but from being kept in the dark about what’s next.

I'm not demanding control, just clarity. That’s not unreasonable.

We have shared all we can right now; it might be enough for everyone, but currently, that is all we can do right now. No matter how many times people ask, this will not change until there is something we can share. 

[alejandr0]

9 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

You want clarity in a legal process....... And you keep generalizing, many of us don't care about the "drama".

I'm not asking for legal disclosures or expecting anyone to break confidentiality. When I say there's "no clear process or direction," I'm specifically referring to the future of the modules.... what will happen if things don’t get resolved, what users can expect in terms of support, and whether there’s any contingency plan.

That’s not about legal drama, that’s about product responsibility and communication with paying customers.

[Silver_Dragon]

8 minutes ago, alejandr0 said:

I'm not asking for legal disclosures or expecting anyone to break confidentiality. When I say there's "no clear process or direction," I'm specifically referring to the future of the modules.... what will happen if things don’t get resolved, what users can expect in terms of support, and whether there’s any contingency plan.

That’s not about legal drama, that’s about product responsibility and communication with paying customers.

Oh my God... what part don't you understand? I also have all the RAZBAM modules and I paid for them... and VEAO, and many others...

Edited 2 hours ago by Silver_Dragon

[rob10]

1 hour ago, alejandr0 said:

I'm not asking for legal disclosures or expecting anyone to break confidentiality. When I say there's "no clear process or direction," I'm specifically referring to the future of the modules.... what will happen if things don’t get resolved, what users can expect in terms of support, and whether there’s any contingency plan.

That’s not about legal drama, that’s about product responsibility and communication with paying customers.

What you're asking for is not reasonable when there are legal proceedings going on regarding this.  If it was a hypothetical situation where all the ED F-18 devs quit, then yes, it would be reasonable for ED to be more forthcoming, because that would be a strictly internal matter that they have total control over.  In this case on the other hand, while I'm sure ED has a pretty good idea what their plan is if ultimately this does go south (it would be business malpractice if they don't), they would be ill advised to share anything about their plans publicly because Razbam could use every bit of that as ammunition against ED legally ("oh they were telling their customers they had plans x, y and z and not to worry.  Clearly they planned for this to fail and weren't negotiating in good faith").
The whole situation is very frustrating for customers, but that doesn't mean that ED isn't handling it "correctly" on most levels.

[Oban]

1 hour ago, alejandr0 said:

That’s not the point I’m making. This isn’t about taking sides. It’s about acknowledging that this situation affects real users in tangible ways, and that they have valid concerns.
People are tired of being told to “We are still hoping...” or “wait for a reasonable resolution for our customers” when there's no clear process explained. That’s where the frustration comes from... not from tribalism or a need to pick a side, but from being kept in the dark about what’s next.

I'm not demanding control, just clarity. That’s not unreasonable.

Try reading the first page, and the first page of every time this situation has produced a new thread, you haven't been kept in the dark, you just choose to have your head burried in the sand, instead of actually accepting what's been told to you repeatedly now.