DCS: MiG-29A Fulcrum pre-purchase

[draconus]

20 minutes ago, Weta43 said:

(unless it's partially see-through)

For what? To see your leg?

[Weta43]

15 minutes ago, draconus said:

For what? To see your leg?

LOL - you make me laugh.

Yes, to see my (virtual) leg.

So that while you're setting the 4 different dials and trying to read it you can still see what's going on in - & outside of - the cockpit.

Have you ever used a slide-rule?

They're a head down piece of equipment that you have to be careful with. Using with a mouse, rotaries or even worse key binds will be a nightmare.

Either make it a moveable device (as for kneeboard or 'Garmin') or slap it mid screen but make it partially see through so you can work but not end up losing SA.

[okopanja]

1 hour ago, Weta43 said:

For the rest of you in the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ crowd:

https://reaa.ru/threads/nakolennyi-planshet-npl-m.5387/

(it's a circular navigation slide-rule)

It doesn't look like something I want to be trying to manipulate the various rings of with a mouse while trying to fly... (unless it's partially see-through)

To elaborate further it's a knee-board I spotted on the pilot's left leg in preorder video. At first I thought a tablet, I considered a notepad, then I realized it's a box (rounded edges).

Here some better pictures:

Pictures of device

Still unsure if this was standard equipment of 29 pilots since this is much older device.

Edited May 27 by okopanja

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Weta43 said:

slap it mid screen

Unrealistic. It is placed on your lap, so see-through (which itself is unrealistic) will get you watching your leg.

Edited May 27 by draconus

[Weta43]

9 minutes ago, draconus said:

Unrealistic. It is placed on your lap, so see-through will get you watching your leg.

Or (if I've forgotten where the trim button is) I can fly like I'm rolling a smoke while driving and clamp the stick between my legs, then lift the box up with both hands & hold it up where I can see what I need to at the same time as I manipulate the dials with both hands...

You must have done that at some time in your life?

Or did you roll your smokes while looking at you lap ?

[portman]

This navigation slide rule, which was part of the kneeboard, was only used as a backup when unforeseen events required new navigational calculations. In most cases, if the flight planning had been done properly, it was not needed.

vor 57 Minuten schrieb okopanja:

Still unsure if this was standard equipment of 29 pilots since this is much older device.

In the GDR, these Soviet kneeboards were commonly used, even though there was a newer German version with built-in lighting. However, that one was too heavy and cumbersome, so the pilots kept the old one.

[okopanja]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

Unrealistic. It is placed on your lap, so see-through (which itself is unrealistic) will get you watching your leg.

Not entirely unrealistic, but regular use case is to do this on ground and fill in the page with your flight plan. Than use the clock on take off to track your progress. I assume that the whole thing was meant to be kept together.

Still I wondered about these things and how come none of the older modules implemented these flight computers before.

[portman]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb okopanja:

Still I wondered about these things and how come none of the older modules implemented these flight computers before.

Maybe because 96% of all DCS pilots navigate by using GPS or the F10 map, and the other 4% have a flight computer at home 

[okopanja]

3 hours ago, portman said:

Maybe because 96% of all DCS pilots navigate by using GPS or the F10 map, and the other 4% have a flight computer at home 

Let me check if I got it right: 96% are players, 4% are actual pilots.

(sorry for digression)

[Lord_Pyro]

Dont forget that most dcs players spend more time flying on the same few maps than real pilots could do.

 

Especially on the kaukasus map i'd say that you could drop most DCS Players anywhere on the map and within 5 mins they'd know where they are

 

And not everyone uses the F10 map. Its immersion breaking and buggs out shaders/lighting (for some ppl). I try to avoid it at all costs.

Edited May 28 by Lord_Pyro

[Hog_driver]

On 5/24/2025 at 9:00 PM, TotenDead said:

Even though 27 would be nice to have, REDFOR really needs Strike aircraft in my opinion. Something like MiG-27K

 

Will plane desintegration when firing the cannon be simulated?

See:

 

 

[TotenDead]

1 минуту назад, Hog_driver сказал:

Will plane desintegration when firing the cannon be simulated?

See:

 

 

Well, I wouldn't really pay much attention to this questionable hurt fairy tale creator. The gun problem was fixed eventually. Anyway, it's flight performance and guided weapons is of interest, not its gun

[Hog_driver]

3 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

Anyway, it's flight performance and guided weapons is of interest, not its gun

Why, don't you want to brrrrt? Or trrrryk?

[apolloace]

Maybe a Bad Question, but normally how long does a module stay on Pre-Purchase before it is released?

[draconus]

54 minutes ago, apolloace said:

Maybe a Bad Question, but normally how long does a module stay on Pre-Purchase before it is released?

It's usually a few months.

[Lord_Pyro]

They aimed for Q2 2025.

 

If they can keep it, we are talking about a few weeks

[ThorBrasil]

18 minutes ago, Lord_Pyro said:

They aimed for Q2 2025.

 

If they can keep it, we are talking about a few weeks

I bet the launch will happen in July 2025.

[pepin1234]

17 hours ago, Hog_driver said:

Will plane desintegration when firing the cannon be simulated?

See:

 

That problem happened to the earlier version of Mig-27... Don't trust in propaganda disinformation 

[Hog_driver]

52 minutes ago, pepin1234 said:

That problem happened to the earlier version of Mig-27... Don't trust in propaganda disinformation 

So it actually happened or is it disinformation?

Wikipedia: "On the MiG-27 "Flogger" the GSh-6-30 had to be mounted obliquely to absorb recoil. The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing."

I understand that it might apply to the earlier versions of the aircraft/cannon, but it was still a problem.

[okopanja]

5 minutes ago, Hog_driver said:

So it actually happened or is it disinformation?

Wikipedia: "On the MiG-27 "Flogger" the GSh-6-30 had to be mounted obliquely to absorb recoil. The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing."

I understand that it might apply to the earlier versions of the aircraft/cannon, but it was still a problem.

Irrelevant we are talking about 29 here, and as we know firing 30mm is not an issue with 29. 

[apolloace]

It has been 2 weeks since the Mig29A went on Pre-purchase.

[trindade]

Pre-ordered last night. 

[NoPro]

On 5/28/2025 at 7:36 PM, Lord_Pyro said:

They aimed for Q2 2025.

 

If they can keep it, we are talking about a few weeks

Well, apart from this past statement (I don’t remember where it was said/written), we have nothing new BUT the FAQ states a release in 2025, so no more words about a Q2 release so I would guess that the Q2 window is gone

[Lord_Pyro]

Iirc that statement was renewed around when the preorder started

[Lord_Pyro]