Cant wait for the future release of the AH64

[BlackFallout]

I know its a long way off, but I'm still anticipating the AH64 module. One thing I really hope is that it has COOP, so I can have a real gunner.

 

My friend and I would play over LAN on two PC's next to each other. I would be the pilot and he would be the gunner.:joystick:

 

The best regards to the DCS developer team!:thumbup:

[wickedpenguin]

I'm really curious as to how they're going to accomplish this.

 

I hope that, for online play, they have two options:

1) A "Solo" flight option, where you can fly online but only with an AI-controlled gunner or pilot. It essentially locks out everyone else from your helo. This would prevent some jackass from jumping in your helo and deciding to practice flying into buildings. And, well, sometimes I just like to fly alone.

2) An "invite" feature, where you can click on a player's name and "invite" them into your helicopter as your gunner or pilot.

 

As a some-time ATC tower controller in Microsoft FS X, I always found it fun to work aircraft with two people "aboard" flying together. For instance, I'd have a CRJ-700 doing practice approaches, and the two pilots would trade off for each approach. You'd have the pilot flying and the other guy working the radios. Very cool stuff.

Edited August 7, 2009 by wickedpenguin

[GGTharos]

I suggest anticipating the A-10C instead ...

[joey45]

tecnicaly they haven't afficaly said that the AH64 is the 3rd module.. they've only planned it.:D

[Focha]

tecnicaly they haven't afficaly said that the AH64 is the 3rd module.. they've only planned it.:D

 

I'm sure they will. Or else they will disappoint some people or even make some stomach problems of depress-maniac disorders and anxiety. LOL :D

 

Now seriously it as to be the following module... :huh: Really! :noexpression: I'm not kidding. :cry:

[joey45]

Unless I missed the thread post.

[Allo]

There must have been some sort of statement that led us to believe this, because a lot of people state that the Apache is after the Hog as fact.

Would be good to clear this matter up.

[GGTharos]

It'll be cleared up as soon as the next module is announced.

[joey45]

the one after the Hog??

 

There must have been some sort of statement that led us to believe this, because a lot of people state that the Apache is after the Hog as fact.

Would be good to clear this matter up.

 

EDIT: maybe because they or someone posted pits of a Apache WIP shots so peeps on the forum, not ED themselves, started to say that..

Edited August 8, 2009 by joey45

[GGTharos]

Yes, the one after the hog :)

[sweinhart3]

Dont hold your breath. Its likely a year down the road before A-10 is released and another year before any other module is released. No disrespect to any of the developers, they are doing a great job, but software titles like this almost always get pushed out due to technical difficulties. Thats just the way it is with development software. Fighter-ops is a prime example and who knows if that will ever come out. Just sit back and have fun with what we have. Im anticipating the A-10C module as Im trying to build a pit for it but I think I have plenty of time.

[EvilBivol-1]

We had released WIP screenshots of a number of aircraft in various stages of development at ED and hoped for eventual implementation into DCS, including the A-10A, F-15C, Su-27, AH-64A, Mi-24. However, we had also made it clear that no particular order of these aircraft can be estimated and in any case the selection of flyable aircraft is always "pie in the sky," becase it is largely based on factors outside of DCS itself - namely incoming contracts that may come and go from other sources.

 

Since those announcements, the immediate plans have changed a number of times over and this is why we cannot reliably announce anything beyond what is currently in development and slated to be the next release, which in this case is the A-10C Warthog.

 

The Apache, like all other candidates, was never a confirmed aircraft in any particular order. However, it remains true that ED is interested in creating an Apache module and has comitted some development toward this. However "when" and even "if" are questions we simply cannot answer with certainty.

[CAT_101st]

from the faq page on the DCS web site, This is why we think the AH64A is the 3rd releas

 

Q: Your press release indicates that Black Shark is the first in a series of DCS modules, with more aircraft/helicopters to follow. How soon will these new aircraft become available?

A: We are already developing the A-10A “Warthog" and AH-64A “Apache” (with planned front-seat / back-seat multiplayer) and other western and eastern aircraft will follow with an approximate interval of every nine months. To annouce these later aircraft now would be premature because plans can often change and lead to delays due to numerous factors such as our work in the equally important military simulation market.

 

Q: Why are you modeling "A" versions of the AH-64 and A-10, when more advanced models are now in service?

A: To achieve the DCS standard of model authenticity, we require access to multiple aircraft manuals and expert advice, which is simply not available for the latest versions of these aircraft for security reasons. Although some previous simulation titles have included the more advanced upgrades, our goal is to provide a much more detailed and realistic model of all aircraft systems and performance characteristics. In addition, earlier aircraft models feature more closely matched capabilities, which will benefit gameplay. Should the opportunity present itself, it's quite possible that more advanced models can be included in future DCS modules. Note, in the case of the A-10, we are modeling one of the later upgrades to the "A" version, which remains in active service today with a number of USAF squadrons.

 

 

:book:

 

Edit: theas replys make me thing that the 3rd module is the AH64A

[Weta43]

I can see why you might get that impression - But this is also a good example of how plans change - read :

Note, in the case of the A-10, we are modeling one of the later upgrades to the "A" version, which remains in active service today with a number of USAF squadrons.

Which has already been changed officially to the "C".

 

It's all fluid till you download it :-)

[Huckle]

Cool. Here's hoping for the F-18 and carrier ops.

 

This is going to burst a lot of bubbles :music_whistling:

[Deigs]

Well all my endorsement on the latter modules on my Oz site needs some changing then. We were all getting pumped for AH-64A after the A10-C module? Sad to hear that as we had a lot of die hard Apache wannabe's waiting for this (myself included). We are all waiting for some confirmation on this now I guess. But nothing is concrete till the ED team says so.

 

I will wait patiently for any glowing words of confirmation on the DCS: Apache. In the meantime A10-C is going to be a very welcome simulator to the Oz market.

[Distiler]

The webpage FAQ is really old and, in some cases, misleading. An update is in order (in fact and update of the whole page, ED is loosing money because of it)

[joey45]

the most important quote ever.

To annouce these later aircraft now would be premature because plans can often change and lead to delays due to numerous factors such as our work in the equally important military simulation market.

and it would help if they updated their webpage.

[spinter]

for me it makes no sense to create a simulator on the market, and then create it a10 already been built in various simulatori.Ah64 not because they do not manage to do a good job for the pilot and gunner, to me this is the reason.

Another thing Ah64 was the second module to be created!

[wickedpenguin]

TBH, more than an Apache sim, I'd like to see an AH-1W Cobra. If the sims are all supposed to be set within the same region, I think the Cobra actually makes more sense since it would be deployed off "amphibious flattops" offshore, supporting a US Marine invasion force. It could of course deploy to FARPs and airfields as well. It doesn't have the payload of the Apache, but it does have day/night capability and - something I'd look forward to - the ability to use Sidewinder missiles.

 

In an ideal situation, I'd love to see the new AH-1Z Viper upgrade modeled. More powerful engines, FLIR, full glass cockpits, and it packs 8 Hellfires, rockets/unguided weapons, and a pair of Sidewinders on the newly lengthened stub wings. It also uses the Longbow radar mounted on a wingtip station.

 

http://www.gesomoon.com/zboard/data/comm_article/AH_1Z_Viper_001.jpg

 

I thought this was a cool quote from Wikipedia:

"During the 1983 Marine multinational force operations off the coast of Beirut, Lebanon during that nation's civil war the AH-1 was deployed. Faced with the possibility of a threat involving the suicide delivery of airborne explosives loaded on light civil aircraft, the AH-1s were employed armed with sidewinder missiles and guns on a ready-alert status as an air defense asset in the absence of carrier based fixed wing cover or STOVL fighters."

 

Helo CAP :)

 

Overall I think the mission profiles would be broader and more interesting. On top of all the regular land missions we have in Black Shark - escort, rescue, antitank, bunker buster, etc. - we could have some of these:

 

* Riding shotgun for a flight of MV-22s carrying SPECOPS personnel in-country.

* Softening up beach defenses for a coming invasion.

* Provide fire support for Marines already on the beach, helping them break through.

* Engaging enemy missile boats who pose a threat to the fleet.

* Protecting a civilian cruise liner from pirates or terrorists.

* Provide cover for civilians evacuating via the sea.

* Helo hunt - track down a flight of enemy helos transporting a VIP.

* Engage in anti-shipping operations to cutoff the enemy supply lines

 

In that vein, if they do make the Apache I hope it's the British version, the AgustaWestland Apache Mk1. They were designed with shipboard ops in mind. It features more powerful engines, folding rotors for shipboard storage, and anti-ice protection for the rotors to allow ops in Arctic conditions.

Edited August 8, 2009 by wickedpenguin

[Focha]

An AH-1W would be great. Personally I would like more to fly a W than a Z version. AH-64A will be great too if ED decide that it's the next module after the A-10C. I really would like to see the FM for a non coaxial rotor helicopter. AH-64A will be a great challenge in multiple ways. Let's just hope ED is up to the task. :smartass:

[joey45]

we know for a fact that the A10C is next..

 

In that vein, if they do make the Apache I hope it's the British version, the AgustaWestland Apache Mk1. They were designed with shipboard ops in mind. It features more powerful engines, folding rotors for shipboard storage, and anti-ice protection for the rotors to allow ops in Arctic conditions.

 

the xtra engine power is only availible on take off... but it would be good IF they did do it... but they wont.

Edited August 8, 2009 by joey45

[GGTharos]

If they do make the apache it will be the AH-64A.

 

There's no data on anyother versions (ie. the D, the british one, or whatever else)

[AlphaOneSix]

It may also be worth noting that the AH-64A used by the U.S. Army also has blade de-ice and folding rotor blades. ;)

[wickedpenguin]

It may also be worth noting that the AH-64A used by the U.S. Army also has blade de-ice and folding rotor blades. ;)

 

Well then... My bad. :P That Wiki article must've been created by a Brit. "Our helos have all the crap those Yanks' birds do, but the manual's written in Olde English... so it's better! Nyah!" :)