WinOrLose Posted June 21 Posted June 21 This is reference to the following manual, GAF T.O. 1F-MIG29-1, so might not be accurate to the version we get. Page 1-110 refers to "reference coordinates" which are deducted from the waypoint coordinates as part of generating a code that is entered into the Nav Comp. Anyone know what these "reference coordinates" are? Putting aside the formulae used following the result of the above calculation, then add a couple of prefixes from the table 1-62B, this doesn't look like something that would be done in flight. I assume the Russian version doesn't have TACAN and this is only in the German version?
Tarres Posted June 21 Posted June 21 All the navigation data is loaded before the flight, so it´s not possible to create, modify or delete any navigation data in flight. The 29 uses the RSBN/PRMG system, it´s more or less a "Soviet TACAN, Soviet ILS", but obviously not compatible. As you said only the 29 upgraded to NATO standards were fitted with TACAN, IFF, transponders, radios and other standard western systems. 2
AeriaGloria Posted June 21 Posted June 21 2 hours ago, WinOrLose said: This is reference to the following manual, GAF T.O. 1F-MIG29-1, so might not be accurate to the version we get. Page 1-110 refers to "reference coordinates" which are deducted from the waypoint coordinates as part of generating a code that is entered into the Nav Comp. Anyone know what these "reference coordinates" are? Putting aside the formulae used following the result of the above calculation, then add a couple of prefixes from the table 1-62B, this doesn't look like something that would be done in flight. I assume the Russian version doesn't have TACAN and this is only in the German version? It’s saying it generates coordinates where it is based off dead reckoning in basic mode or RSBN correction in correction mode, and just compares that to waypoint coordinates to see if it’s there yet Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
skywalker22 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 On 6/21/2025 at 6:50 PM, Tarres said: All the navigation data is loaded before the flight, so it´s not possible to create, modify or delete any navigation data in flight. The 29 uses the RSBN/PRMG system, it´s more or less a "Soviet TACAN, Soviet ILS", but obviously not compatible. As you said only the 29 upgraded to NATO standards were fitted with TACAN, IFF, transponders, radios and other standard western systems. The question is, how the RSBN/PRMG is going to be implemented, same way as for the Mig-21, or it'll be inisde the Beacons.lua files of the maps. 2nd option would be of couse a better choice, but all these beacons.lua files for the maps would need to be updated. @BIGNEWY is there any news yet about how the navigation would be done?
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Tarres Posted June 23 Posted June 23 RSBN/PRMG work perfect in the ED L-39 module, even in not equipped “RSBN stations” maps you can fly using the Rsbn in “manual mode”. It’s the same system in the 29, so the basics are programmed and in place into dcs core. Maybe in the long term, we’ll got a “mobile RSBN object” like the mobile tacan object. RSBN stations are “mobile” per design. The object is in DCS core from KA-50 1.0 and Lomac 1.0. 2
AeriaGloria Posted June 23 Posted June 23 8 hours ago, skywalker22 said: The question is, how the RSBN/PRMG is going to be implemented, same way as for the Mig-21, or it'll be inisde the Beacons.lua files of the maps. 2nd option would be of couse a better choice, but all these beacons.lua files for the maps would need to be updated. @BIGNEWY is there any news yet about how the navigation would be done? As it is now well jut be flying around in dead reckoning mode and it’s 4% of distance travelled error 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Volator Posted June 24 Posted June 24 Some maps need RSBN/PRMG updates to the beacons.lua, some don't. There certainly shouldn't be any RSBN/PRMG where there were none in reality. 3 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
Tarres Posted June 24 Posted June 24 As @Volator said, in Kola for example there are/were 4 RSBN stations and maybe PRMG stations at the main military airbases. At Murmansk Intl for example, no rsbn or prmg must be placed. In Sirya, PRMG at the main Russian airbase and at the main Syrian airbase near Damascus with RSBN collocated. Sinai… well it’s a modern map so maybe it’s better to wait for the Rsbn functional object for the ME. Data for RSBN can be retrieved as the system was used for civil flight (civil sims), PRMG is a military only system, so it could be more difficult to gather information. As @AeriaGloria said, lack of Rsbn stations doesn’t restrict navigation. 1
Art-J Posted June 24 Posted June 24 I'd be careful with "should/shouldn't". There are two camps: players who want more "realistic", L-39 style implementation (RSBN/PRMG systems only where they were deployed in reality) and players who would like to be able to use the system on every map and airbase, MiG-21 style. I won't even try to start a flamewar on which group is more "correct". Mobile station as a functional Mission Editor unit in DCS core would indeed be best compromise for both. 3 1 i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
Weta43 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 (edited) Quote 14 hours ago BIGNEWY said @Ronin_Gaijin I have spoken to the team, we are planning the use of mobile RSBN beacons that can be placed on any terrain. thank you Edited July 1 by Weta43 Cheers.
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