The Gryphon Posted Sunday at 05:18 PM Posted Sunday at 05:18 PM (edited) Hi guys, I was watching this excellent video how sneak up on enemy aircraft But what if the enemy aircraft is really up high, perhaps at 20 000 - 30 000 feet, how do I force them down below 15 000 feet? Or how can I sneak up on a enemy aircraft operating at high altitude without being detected on his radar? Edited Sunday at 05:19 PM by The Gryphon 1
Ironhand Posted Sunday at 06:50 PM Posted Sunday at 06:50 PM 1 hour ago, The Gryphon said: Hi guys, I was watching this excellent video how sneak up on enemy aircraft But what if the enemy aircraft is really up high, perhaps at 20 000 - 30 000 feet, how do I force them down below 15 000 feet? Or how can I sneak up on a enemy aircraft operating at high altitude without being detected on his radar? Sta low and come up behind him or from his 9 '0 clock where his radar can't see you? 1 1 YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
The Gryphon Posted yesterday at 05:10 AM Author Posted yesterday at 05:10 AM 10 hours ago, Ironhand said: Sta low and come up behind him or from his 9 '0 clock where his radar can't see you? Yes that is a great idea! I am thinking sneaking low under him, to avoid his radar, then as I pass under him, I go full afterburner straight up to high altitude and attack from his 6. Many pilots BVR from high altitude, a serious drawback is that you are clearly painted against a big blue sky.
wcdiver Posted yesterday at 07:18 AM Posted yesterday at 07:18 AM (edited) I'm staying low and try to acquire enemy visually, then once he's on top of me I'm climbing to get on his six and shoot some R-73s or lock him with radar close combat mode to use R-27Rs. Same tactics that I've used in MIG-21. For BVR I identify my enemy first (via AWACS). If it is a modern jet like F-16 I just don't bother fighting him with this technique, because MIG-29s chances of survival are slim to none. But harassing some ground pounders or older/equivalent planes? That can be done. /edit not AWACS but GCI on multiplayer servers. Edited yesterday at 07:21 AM by wcdiver 1
The Gryphon Posted yesterday at 11:51 AM Author Posted yesterday at 11:51 AM 4 hours ago, wcdiver said: I'm staying low and try to acquire enemy visually, then once he's on top of me I'm climbing to get on his six and shoot some R-73s or lock him with radar close combat mode to use R-27Rs. Same tactics that I've used in MIG-21. For BVR I identify my enemy first (via AWACS). If it is a modern jet like F-16 I just don't bother fighting him with this technique, because MIG-29s chances of survival are slim to none. But harassing some ground pounders or older/equivalent planes? That can be done. /edit not AWACS but GCI on multiplayer servers. Any idea how to fight the F-16 from BVR, must be some tactic that can be used? Spam missiles, make him defensive?
Dača Posted yesterday at 12:12 PM Posted yesterday at 12:12 PM 19 minutes ago, The Gryphon said: Any idea how to fight the F-16 from BVR, must be some tactic that can be used? Spam missiles, make him defensive? You can't. It all comes down to situation. But in fair fight you can't beat F-16 from 2007. using 80's tech. If F-16 had sparrows then you can beat it, sure.
TheFreshPrince Posted yesterday at 01:04 PM Posted yesterday at 01:04 PM Have you tried the tactic where you constantly notch the enemy in a 90 degree position but also fly very slow and low? It could work to get the enemy closer.
AeriaGloria Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 7 hours ago, TheFreshPrince said: Have you tried the tactic where you constantly notch the enemy in a 90 degree position but also fly very slow and low? It could work to get the enemy closer. You would have to use EWR to notch since SPO won’t help 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
TheFreshPrince Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Well you probably fly head on first, so you know the direction he's coming from and then you can visually crank 90° using terrain features and heading. Maybe takes some practice to adjust into a slight curve while he's getting closer, but it's possible to hold a notch even without EWR/RWR/SPO or whatever. But I haven't tried this tactic with the new MIG-29, only with the FC3 variants. So I don't know if it still works. Especially without chaff... Edited 4 hours ago by TheFreshPrince
CrazyGman Posted 14 minutes ago Posted 14 minutes ago 4 hours ago, TheFreshPrince said: Well you probably fly head on first, so you know the direction he's coming from and then you can visually crank 90° using terrain features and heading. Maybe takes some practice to adjust into a slight curve while he's getting closer, but it's possible to hold a notch even without EWR/RWR/SPO or whatever. But I haven't tried this tactic with the new MIG-29, only with the FC3 variants. So I don't know if it still works. Especially without chaff... Well you do still have chaff in the 29. So no worries there.
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