correct as-is Manual range wheel

[JTFF - Raph]

Hello I've checked if the man range wheel implementation was already mentionned by ED but didn't find it.

Is it planned to implement the manual range wheel ? At this moment the TDC range management is a big problem for antenna elevation. Here is a video showing these particular cases.

Have a good day

 

Edited yesterday at 01:07 PM by JTFF - Raph
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[SemperFi]

[IvanK]

So if it wasn't fitted to "this version" then at what range is the delta H value referenced to ? is as has been suggested (and in game evidence supports this) it is referenced to the Acquisition cursor range ?

Is this a yet to be implemented feature ? or what we are stuck with ? The "correct as is" label and the quote above from Matt in the post above to this thread implies its not going to be incorporated. .... a definitive statement here would help.

Elevation changing as you try to position the acquisition cursor over the target makes it almost unmanageable in free search type operation. Probably OK in the guidance mode with DL doing the work for you.

I guess TWS is the go as then I presume elevation will be controlled by the TWS mode itself ?

Edited 18 hours ago by IvanK

[AeriaGloria]

2 minutes ago, IvanK said:

So if it wasn't fitted to "this version" then at what range is the delta H value referenced to ? is as has been suggested (and in game evidence supports this) it is referenced to the Acquisition cursor range ? .... a definitive statement would help.

Yes it is, TDC range 

[primus_TR]

So, say I detect a target at 35 miles while TDC caret is at 10 miles and dH set two notches up. What happens then when I slew the TDC to lock the target? The target is no longer within the radar cone and disappears? Is this the genius of Soviet tech, or is it a flawed implementation of the actual system in the sim, or is ED becoming creative with their tech modeling?

Edited 9 hours ago by primus_TR
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[ldnz]

Its a pretty cool system if you know expected range and altitude of your target. Bit out of touch but doesn't the Mirage F1 have a similar mode?

[Thirsty]

12 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Yes it is, TDC range 

Since I know you know a good bit about the 29, I wonder what is your take on the mentioned comments by ED.

Since I find it hard to belive that the radar was ment to work this way, without any proper way to set Delta H

[JTFF - Raph]

Hi,

So if I understand correctly, the range management on FC3 was wrong and this wheel is not used for delta H in the real jet ?
If it is the case I think a lot of people will be disapointed since it is one of the worst Delta H management solutions...

This implementation creates major changes on antenna elevation angle at each tiny cursor movement, while the FC3 system was only bound to the wheel so completely independent and "linear" on the elevation plan.

 

[Кош]

ED understood the document very wrong. There was no "external rangefinder" as a device or whatever, don't invent nuisances. What's that is "target base rangefinder" aka you have to roll the wheel until sight mark becomes the same width as target wing span, like in 1-2 gen fighters, as a means of backup. It was decided it's not needed.

As for elevation and range. It's needed for cases when you maintain radar silence and then got a vector on target and want to spend as less time from start of illumination to launch as possible to not let the target out of NEZ. You set elevation difference with delta H knob and on MiG-23 you rotated the throttle for "expected range" so when you flip "radar illuminate" your lock caret will be right on target, you press lock and launch. Target gets illum warning and then launch in 5 seconds. But. In MiG-29 you just use the TDC hat switch instead of separate rotary.

In real 29 throttle rotary is very conveniently used to switch between sync and funnel gunnery modes in dogfight.

[JTFF - Raph]

2 hours ago, Кош said:

ED understood the document very wrong. There was no "external rangefinder" as a device or whatever, don't invent nuisances. What's that is "target base rangefinder" aka you have to roll the wheel until sight mark becomes the same width as target wing span, like in 1-2 gen fighters, as a means of backup. It was decided it's not needed.

As for elevation and range. It's needed for cases when you maintain radar silence and then got a vector on target and want to spend as less time from start of illumination to launch as possible to not let the target out of NEZ. You set elevation difference with delta H knob and on MiG-23 you rotated the throttle for "expected range" so when you flip "radar illuminate" your lock caret will be right on target, you press lock and launch. Target gets illum warning and then launch in 5 seconds. But. In MiG-29 you just use the TDC hat switch instead of separate rotary.

In real 29 throttle rotary is very conveniently used to switch between sync and funnel gunnery modes in dogfight.

Okay makes sense so the expected range managed via throttle wheel would be accurate on a MIG-23 but not on MIG-29. Thanks a lot for the explanations. The good new is that we are learning a system that may not be changed in the future, but still really challenging in some situations (target switching).

[Q3ark]

7 hours ago, primus_TR said:

So, say I detect a target at 35 miles while TDC caret is at 10 miles and dH set two notches up. What happens then when I slew the TDC to lock the target? The target is no longer within the radar cone and disappears? Is this the genius of Soviet tech, or is it a flawed implementation of the actual system in the sim, or is ED becoming creative with their tech modeling?

This is something I’d like an answer to as well, what is the procedure for dealing with this scenario? 

[JTFF - Raph]

1 minute ago, Q3ark said:

This is something I’d like an answer to as well, what is the procedure for dealing with this scenario? 

Based on ED response here is what I would do :

If you have no GCI BRAA on this "pop up" target you would set down your delta H knob (+1 or even 0) since the TDC movement induces a "non-linear" antenna elevation. By doing that you will at least avoid that you antenna is to far up above the pop-up.
Basically I would guesstimate the delta H of this popup. But at 10 miles you should search for a VID in your example. A medium ranges, if there is some time there might be a math trick to get the angle of a intermediate target in your scope