Cockpit in metric

[TotenDead]

Could you please make a metric version of the F-15 for those who don't use freedom units? 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Since we have a hamburger MiG-29, this is only a fair request  

[Ornithopter]

 

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Since we have a hamburger MiG-29, this is only a fair request  

Or they could just make the MiG-29 work like every other Soviet/Russian aircraft, where the instruments are Metric, like in reality, regardless of whether you have Metric or Imperial checked in the main settings, and no matter what language one chooses for labelling or annunciator panels.

Edited October 25 by Ornithopter

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Just now, Ornithopter said:

Or they could just make the MiG-29 work like every other Soviet/Russian aircraft, where the instruments are Metric, like in reality, regardless of whether you have Metric or Imperial checked in the main settings, and no matter what language one chooses for labelling or annunciator panels.

I agree, but once the toothpaste is outside of the tube, you can’t push it back in.

[EricJ]

I mean Saudi Arabia had Cs as well as Israel, so maybe they stayed Imperial, or if not, then it's kinda valid request.

[drPhibes]

12 minutes ago, EricJ said:

I mean Saudi Arabia had Cs as well as Israel, so maybe they stayed Imperial, or if not, then it's kinda valid request.

Of course those F15s kept their original units of measure. With a very few exceptions like the former USSR, everyone uses feet, knots and nautical miles in aviation. 

[TotenDead]

22 часа назад, EricJ сказал:

I mean Saudi Arabia had Cs as well as Israel, so maybe they stayed Imperial, or if not, then it's kinda valid request.

It's more about an optional usage of the convenient system that would affect only the user who is willing to use metric in his cockpit

[EricJ]

3 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

It's more about an optional usage of the convenient system that would affect only the user who is willing to use metric in his cockpit

Yeah later models had that option if I read it right, but understood

[Mateo]

German and Poland have used MiG29 in English/Imperial and that is the reason MiG29 could be considered metric/imperial. 

If some of you provide thr proof that F-15C MSIP was ever used in metric then this request makes sense. 

[Ornithopter]

 

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German and Poland have used MiG29 in English/Imperial and that is the reason MiG29 could be considered metric/imperial. 

If some of you provide thr proof that F-15C MSIP was ever used in metric then this request makes sense. 

There are Real world MiG-29s in Poland or Germany that actually had instruments measuring feet and knots?  Are you sure about that, or have a source?

I assumed that the Frankencockpit version of the DCS MiG-29 was meant as just a video game convenience, for those who would prefer Imperial, but didn't actually represent any real life conversion.

Edited Saturday at 03:06 PM by Ornithopter

[YoYo]

22 minutes ago, Ornithopter said:

 

There are Real world MiG-29s in Poland or Germany that actually had instruments measuring feet and knots?  Are you sure about that, or have a source?

I assumed that the Frankencockpit version of the DCS MiG-29 was meant as just a video game convenience, for those who would prefer Imperial, but didn't actually represent any real life conversion.

After conversion, yes, even English description. They had to adapt to NATO standards. The same thing happened with the MiG-29s in Germany, which later adopted the "G" designation.

[YoYo]

On 10/25/2025 at 4:40 PM, TotenDead said:

Could you please make a metric version of the F-15 for those who don't use freedom units? 

Let's not be silly. ;>

[Ornithopter]

5 hours ago, YoYo said:

After conversion, yes, even English description. They had to adapt to NATO standards. The same thing happened with the MiG-29s in Germany, which later adopted the "G" designation.

Wow, I didn't know they had actually converted the instruments in real life.  Thanks!

[TotenDead]

9 часов назад, YoYo сказал:

After conversion, yes, even English description. They had to adapt to NATO standards. The same thing happened with the MiG-29s in Germany, which later adopted the "G" designation.

 

That's not the 9.12A we have in the game though 

 

9 часов назад, YoYo сказал:

Let's not be silly. ;>

What did you find silly? Would an optional metric cockpit hurt your gameplay somehow

11 часов назад, Mateo сказал:

German and Poland have used MiG29 in English/Imperial and that is the reason MiG29 could be considered metric/imperial. 

 

Like I said those aren't 9.12A we have in the game

10 часов назад, Ornithopter сказал:

I assumed that the Frankencockpit version of the DCS MiG-29 was meant as just a video game convenience, for those who would prefer Imperial, but didn't actually represent any real life conversion.

Actually, you were right. Same goes for the Ka-50 cockpit, for example

[YoYo]

6 hours ago, TotenDead said:

That's not the 9.12A we have in the game though 

What did you find silly? Would an optional metric cockpit hurt your gameplay somehow

1/ This is 9.12A version, early MiG. This version we have as FF module. To be precise, this is version „9.12A” and „9.12A after modification”, and that is how it should be considered, so we have two versions. The modified version (local work) had no other name, so it is still 9.12A, with the exception of German MiGs.

2/ For me, there shouldn't even be a version with imperial gauges for the MiG. This complicates matters considerably, as you can see. Besides, people should learn other systems, not take the easy way out of laziness. In this case, I can still understand it, because the MiG did indeed have a cockpit with gauges in feet and in the Imperial version, but the F-15C didn't, which is why it's stupid. So, no, even as option. It's better to be more ambitious.

Edited Sunday at 08:06 AM by YoYo

[TotenDead]

9 часов назад, YoYo сказал:

2/ For me, there shouldn't even be a version with imperial gauges for the MiG. This complicates matters considerably, as you can see. Besides, people should learn other systems, not take the easy way out of laziness.

I see. There are many people who use imperial in it though

9 часов назад, YoYo сказал:

In this case, I can still understand it, because the MiG did indeed have a cockpit with gauges in feet and in the Imperial version, but the F-15C didn't, which is why it's stupid. So, no, even as option. It's better to be more ambitious.

Our MiG had never had an instrument panel in imperial, neither had it english cockpit. So, its situation is very similar to the F-15C, but anyway, I understood your position. Mine is - optional ability never hurts unless it spoils gameplay for others. Metric in my cockpit won't hurt anyone 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 11/2/2025 at 8:37 AM, YoYo said:

2/ For me, there shouldn't even be a version with imperial gauges for the MiG. This complicates matters considerably, as you can see. Besides, people should learn other systems, not take the easy way out of laziness.

Exactly. As said earlier: we finally have a nice little RedFor jet and the first thing people do is turn it into a BluFor one 
The only convenience option that should have been present is the same ones we already have for other RedFor modules: english cockpit labels and english Rita - for those of us who didn't grow up with Cyrillic.
A metric F-15C is equally silly IMO, but if ED gives us a 'BigMac MiG-29' they should also give us a 'Tovarich F-15C'.

The best option would of course be to simply remove the imperial MiG-29 options, forget about them and never mention them again. It's begging for bugs and opens the door for ever more silliness.
Seriously, if we can learn imperial then the yanks can learn metric too...

Edited yesterday at 11:27 AM by Raven (Elysian Angel)
Grammar

[DSplayer]

18 hours ago, TotenDead said:

I see. There are many people who use imperial in it though

Our MiG had never had an instrument panel in imperial, neither had it english cockpit. So, its situation is very similar to the F-15C, but anyway, I understood your position. Mine is - optional ability never hurts unless it spoils gameplay for others. Metric in my cockpit won't hurt anyone 

At least a MiG-29 variant of some kind has been equipped with an Imperial unit cockpit with English or a Cyrillic language cockpit. What you're asking for does not exist and never did exist in any form, especially on the F-15C they're modelling.

[quantum97]

23 hours ago, DSplayer said:

At least a MiG-29 variant of some kind has been equipped with an Imperial unit cockpit with English or a Cyrillic language cockpit. What you're asking for does not exist and never did exist in any form, especially on the F-15C they're modelling.

22 Years after introduction only on modernised G and PL variant, which doesn't exist in DCS. Americans demand we learn imperial units, yet they don't bother learning SI units, which objectively make more sense.

[drPhibes]

Feet, knots and nautical miles (out of which only feet are an imperial unit; the two other are maritime) are the international standard used in aviation. It's got nothing to do with the US, Liberia or Burma trying to force anyone to learn or use their system. It's the same thing as when we (everyone) use inches for tire diameters or screen sizes, despite never having used imperial units of measure. You can ofcourse use the ETRTO dimensions when shopping for new rims/tires, or refer to your new TV as a 1,4m, but don't expect anyone else to do so.

[quantum97]

Chapter 3, Appendix 5 – Units of Measure for Air and Ground Operations

Source: https://ulc.gov.pl/_download/prawo/prawo_miedzynarodowe/konwencje/zal5_wyd_7_pop17.pdf

Translation: 3.1.1 The International System of Units (SI), developed and maintained by the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM), shall be used as the standard system of units for all matters pertaining to air and ground operations of international civil aviation, subject to the provisions of sections 3.2 and 3.3.

 

3.3.2 Recommendation – Measures and provisions should be established regarding design, procedures, and training concerning operations in environments requiring the use of specific units of measure defined in the standard, as well as alternative, non-SI units, or a method for transitioning between environments utilizing different units, taking into account human performance.

Note. – Informational material regarding human performance can be found in the Human Factors Training Manual (Doc. 9683).

Table 3-3. Non-SI Alternative Units Permitted for Temporary Use Alongside SI Units

 

1 hour ago, drPhibes said:

Feet, knots and nautical miles (out of which only feet are an imperial unit; the two other are maritime) are the international standard used in aviation.

@drPhibes So no, feet knots and nautical miles aren't standard they are temporary allowed but ft and nm are compliant for now with ICAO standard. In addition, metric units have been used for aviation in Eastern and Central Europe, Russia/USSR, and the former Eastern Bloc countries since the 1950s, and sometimes remain in use today.