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digital_steve

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Hi Guys,

Given my location, there aren't any stores around where i can see/touch/feel/try the products i want before buying.

 

I'm looking to get some pedals and i'm tossing up between the CH pro pedals and the Saitek pro flight pedals.

 

Are any of you able to provide some advice, recommendations or comments about either?

 

Thanks in advance

 

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Gadroc

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I think it depends on your setup. I have the saitek pedals and they are good, not great. I have not tried the CH Pedals but there is no way I could use them anyways. I have a center mounted joystick and the CH pedals are far to close together to make it possible.

 

The tension adjust is nice and they feel pretty good. The travel doesn't feel as smooth as I would like (G940 pedals travel well, although I'd avoid that stick for other reasons.)

Aeroscout

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Both are fine. I have custom cockpit with a center stick, and like Gadroc said, the CH petals do not accommodate this, as the pedals are so close together. I like Saitek in this area as the pedals are wider apart and you can adjust the tension. On the downside, they have jammed twice on me, which has required me to bring them down stairs and take the thing apart to fix it, which is a pain (There have got to be at least 16,000 screws on the back.)

 

I have tried the CH pedals and they're fine. Nothing extremely great, but nothing bad either. Not as much travel though and a very light feel.

 

If you just sit at a desk and use CH stuff already, I'd go with CH pedals. If you plan on making a pit with a center stick or something else separating your legs, you should go with Saitek.

 

Aero

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531-Ghost

531-Ghost

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I have the CH Products ProPedals. Sorry, I have to disagree on them not allowing for a center mounted stick. They work fine. As seen here in a couple old pictures of my "pit".

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Not to mention their programming capabilities through Control Manager...

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104th_Crunch

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I guess Aero means if your center stick has a stand from the ground up, and legs had to wrap around it, then you would have an issue with CH Pedals being close together. In your great looking pit there Ghost, you have your stick suspended from your desk which is a cool idea.

 

I can only vouch for the CH Pedals which I have owned for years and still behave like new. I wish they were set wider apart as well for comfort's sake, but everything else about them is top quality.

531-Ghost

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I guess Aero means if your center stick has a stand from the ground up, and legs had to wrap around it, then you would have an issue with CH Pedals being close together. In your great looking pit there Ghost, you have your stick suspended from your desk which is a cool idea.

 

I can only vouch for the CH Pedals which I have owned for years and still behave like new. I wish they were set wider apart as well for comfort's sake, but everything else about them is top quality.

 

Actually, although tuff to see in that pic, it's mounted to the frame of the pit at the floor. Still no issues...

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Gadroc

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Actually, although tuff to see in that pic, it's mounted to the frame of the pit at the floor. Still no issues...

 

Still not the point, your stick only moves above your legs. My stick is floor mounted so a narrower base for the pedals would cause my legs to restrict the deflection of the stick. In MY setup there is no way the CH pedals would work and be comfortable.

 

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As I said originally it depends on your setup. One of the biggest differences between these level of pedals is the width. Of course I would assume there are bigger differences in feel and quality when you talk about the much more expensive simpeds that TBag references.

531-Ghost

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AH! Okay I see what you're typin' 'bout now. You've extended the stick, thus increasing the amount of movement at the handles X and Y axes. The same could be done with the FighterStick or CombatStick as well. All you'd have to do to compensate for the increased amount of movement on the X and Y axes is increase the gain in Control Manager. Problem solved.

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Gadroc

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AH! Okay I see what you're typin' 'bout now. You've extended the stick, thus increasing the amount of movement at the handles X and Y axes. The same could be done with the FighterStick or CombatStick as well. All you'd have to do to compensate for the increased amount of movement on the X and Y axes is increase the gain in Control Manager. Problem solved.

 

Well yes and no. You loose quite a bit of resolution on the axis if you do that. You can gear up or down the movements in the gimbals/pots to maintain resolution, but we are going off topic :pilotfly:.

531-Ghost

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Well yes and no. You loose quite a bit of resolution on the axis if you do that. You can gear up or down the movements in the gimbals/pots to maintain resolution, but we are going off topic :pilotfly:.

 

True. Back on topic, I'd still go with CHProducts ProPedals. Why? Well: Durable, VERY Programmable. And if you feel they are to narrow, that can be fixed too.

 

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digital_steve

digital_steve

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Thanks for the input lads and especially the pics

I won't be building a proper pit, or having an (awesomely!) extended centre cyclic like Gadroc... so CH might be the go, especially as people seem to like the software to program it more.

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digital_steve

digital_steve

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CH pedals and the new warthog HOTAS = win

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weasel75

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.... Why? Well: Durable, VERY Programmable. And if you feel they are to narrow, that can be fixed too.

 

How that?

 

I am really interested in modding those pedals, since while they are still well-spaced compared to the others on the market, a little more spacing is always welcome ... and if just for a more authentic feeling, or an instrument-panel between your legs ;)

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IvanK

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I have used TM Old and the newer (but still ancient) Elite, CH pedals and Saitek. The best of the bunch for feel in terms of pedal spacing and force were the TM Elites alas gameport connection and no brakes.

 

CH pedals were great from a programming perspective but way to light with poor centering and loss of neutral and too close together. A real shame as the other CH stuff I have (stick and throttle) are superb. If CH produced a new set of pedals with more force and further apart I would buy them in a heartbeat. I went through 2 sets of pedals trying to fix the poor centering but to no avail both were the same. CH product support was absolutely brillant. Just the pedals didnt cut it for my feet.

 

Saitek pedals are good in terms of pedal spacing. Their attempt at variable force was a good idea but it doesnt work in practice. That can be fixed by a very rudimentary set of thick rubber bands. The Saitek programming interface is the most non user friendly bit of software I have seen. Having said that its Saitek pedals I am using at the moment.

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Chibawang

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I'm confused... Why on earth would you need to program pedals? Seems like a pretty straight forward axis bind to me.

 

I haven't used anything CH and generally I wouldn't recommend Saitek either because of their horrible customer support. However, my Pro Pedals arrived yesterday and I am very happy with them so far. Pedal distance and force are important to me, so it was the logical choice. They feel very sturdy and so far the movement is extremely smooth and precise, with perfect zeroing.

531-Ghost

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Again, a simple job of axis assignment.

 

Not so simple for a game that doesn't support it.

 

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Chibawang

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Oh, I see... never run into that problem myself, but good to know. Like I said, I've never used CH products. Personally, I think they're overpriced, but clearly plenty of people disagree.

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