FC 2.0?? su27 vs f15???

[GGTharos]

No, there isn't. Read what he said - he fought a noob who couldn't handle a plane that couldn't use its instantaneous turn rate. Don't even try starting to go that way ;)

[104th_Crunch]

Make the thread!!, i read from Yoda that he will be very strong in gunso fight`s what he really deserve;)

 

@ =SE=Vecko S!

 

I don't think I was clear here. What I am saying is that currently in LO 1.12 the MiG can go Mach 1 with no afterburner at med altitude in level flight. As far As I know this not possible in RL and maybe should be looked at for LO 2. So, it's not just the F15 that should get attention. Again, I'll be happy with what LO 2 gives as I am sure the best that can possibly be done, is what we will get with 2.

[EtherealN]

Aha i see... But is there any chance that SFM in F-15 is just liiiiiittle bit "more" SFM in compare with SFM in mig and flanker?:smilewink:

 

Not really. Remember that what you had was anecdotal evidence, and it's countered by my own anecdotal evidence, and we are both liable to suffer from confirmation bias.

 

The only way to truly establish anything either way is to first do flight tests in LO, and then get each of us up in a real Flanker and Eagle to compare. Not going to happen. ;)

 

(Though I do wish I could afford those Flankers that are up for sale on the civvie market atm...)

[Groove]

Thank god there will be no whining and moaning AFTER 2.0 is released because EVERYBODY KNOWS there will be no further patching.

[3Sqn_Sven]

Thank god there will be no whining and moaning AFTER 2.0 is released because EVERYBODY KNOWS there will be no further patching.

 

I've heard THAT one before...

[Pyroflash]

(begins saving for an Su-27 & F-15C)

 

I am just happy ED decided to patch it any more than they already have.

 

@Crunch

 

There are a few variants of the MiG-29 than can in fact supercruise. They are the MiG-29M/SMT/35. None of these however, are currently present in the sim.

[HungaroJET]

I've heard THAT one before...

 

:thumbup::megalol::doh:

[ZaltysZ]

Everybody on this earth knows that su27 is better than the any USAF jet in tight turns(maybe not from f22, that plane is manuwerable) he can out turn any plane, but not in LOFC, i belive the reason is cos of big USA market, they rulzzz ;)

 

It makes me remember IL2: "Everyone knows that Spitfire outturns BF109, so wtf??? how that BF outturned my Spit?" :)

[blackgruya]

I deleted my post in case I break any rules. I know the truth what was point of his post. S!

Edited February 10, 2010 by blackgruya
Be nice

[Pyroflash]

The point of his post was to show that however good someone may be at the game, they still make mistakes every now and again. He wasn't throwing any personal insults at anyone, so why insult him for making a point?

[EtherealN]

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[EtherealN]

It makes me remember IL2: "Everyone knows that Spitfire outturns BF109, so wtf??? how that BF outturned my Spit?" :)

 

Aye, I remember the debates about how "those russians" had clearly overdesigned the russian aircraft and underdesigned the western aircraft, since "clearly the MiG-3 shouldn't have been able to turn inside my Spit" and so on... All depends on whether you can keep yourself away from the yank-and-bank and actually maintain your energy through the turn.

[Teknetinium]

What about engines overheat, thats hould not be hard to simulate, Im sure there is a limet for how long burners can be used before things start to melt.

[GGTharos]

That depends on airspeed and your engine capability also.

 

And yeah, I'm sure it'll be possible to simulate in a DCS fighter or something.

[Pilotasso]

Thank god there will be no whining and moaning AFTER 2.0 is released because EVERYBODY KNOWS there will be no further patching.

 

 

I think there will be plenty whinners, but then it will be too late. :D

 

Whoever is unsatisfied can just move on, myself included should that be the case (unlikely ;) )

Edited February 10, 2010 by Pilotasso

[Pyroflash]

That depends on airspeed and your engine capability also.

 

And yeah, I'm sure it'll be possible to simulate in a DCS fighter or something.

 

DCS: AV-8B 2+

 

God help us all...

[monotwix]

They will come up with the anti-aging substance first.

They are working on it in a lab vary close to the genome department.

[Ramstein]

They will come up with the anti-aging substance first.

They are working on it in a lab vary close to the genome department.

 

 

Should We Clone Neanderthals?

http://www.archaeology.org/1003/etc/neanderthals.html

[monotwix]

We could try but it would take a long time to go thru that wormhole.

And then teach one to fly.

[Teknetinium]

I hope ED, do something about Time limitations on burners. Landing feels like brick tochdown ,If the suspension was slightly softer that could maybe give better feeling on landing.

Edited February 11, 2010 by Teknetinium

[GGTharos]

Do you know what those limitations are, and for how long? Because there's really nothing about that in the manuals - except for some very unlikely circumstances, the FADEC will never take the engines out of AB.

[mikoyan]

As far as I know the f-15 does not have fly by wire but is an hidraulic computer aided system. There is an article about an american pilot flying on the flanker and he says that the airplane has a lot of power like most russian jets but a lot of inertia specially on the roll, we see that in lock-on; to stop the roll we have to pretty much move the stick almost all the way to the opposite side.

 

He also says that the pitch has the same peculiarity but at a lesser extend. He notes that that lack of computer correction was due to the fact that the russians didn't feel the need to correct that ,because the weapons used on the flanker (could also be that the flanker is bigger and it is an early fly by wire system). (the russian knights also say that the flanker is harder to fly in formation because of how good the flight by wire is on the flanker)

 

He also notes that this ramp-out effect could make a bit difficult to gun down another airplane because the pilot has to compensate for all the inertias (in lock on it is easier to use the f-15 gun); so in other words airplanes like an f-16; the flight control reduces the pilot work load by correcting this "issues."

I put "issues" this way because when he summarizes the aircraft handling he says that once the pilot is familiarized with the plane it feels more connected to what the airplane is doing , this feeling is what he believes some fly by wire "american" aircraft are missing.

 

There are several videos of american pilots comparing the mig-29 and f-15 and they say that the eagle feels like a cadillac and the mig is a bit crude.

That is exactly the idea I get when I fly the eagle and the flanker in lomac. The russian are less refined but turn better, but the eagle is a more balanced jet. Yes there are things that could be improved but I'm not a real pilot to say the last word and I believe most of us are on the same situation; so the best we can hope is to ED to fix some of the issues and do an approximation to the real deal.

 

What I would like to know what is the real su-27 initial climb performance some sites say 18000 mts/m and for the eagle (f-15c) 15.000 mts/m so the who is right? and the mig is even better so... I could not make a harrier pilot tell me if he could outturn a mig-29 then I don't see where this magazines and internet sites get their numbers when we don't even know what is the sr-71 top speed!

 

about the su-30 on red flag, we should not be very surprised that the mki loses lot of speed when doing those fancy post stall moves, it pretty much uses almost the same engines of the flanker to carry a heavier airplane, the mki has 2 seats, has canards that help to improve the handling but produce more drag, the landing gear must be heavier also; and I don't know how much weight it gained with all the new avionics; the russian themselves admitted that their airplanes are getting heavier and heavier with little progress on engine power, that problem did not affect the american side that much because they had the resources to develop new engines for their jets.

[Pyroflash]

If the engines overheat, wouldn't the system take it out of AB, I mean, it's either that or the engines catch on fire, or the blades melt together.

[mikoyan]

rudder deflection at high speed on he flaker look a bit too optimistic, improvements on ground handling and brakes would be nice. The brakes in lock on must be the envy of any car manufacturer, also the handling, how come I can turn this ting on a dime at around 60 km/h or more without hitting the tip of my wings!

[GGTharos]

The F-15C has a similar initial climb rate as the flanker (Around 55000fpm). It has much better climb capability at high altitudes than the flanker though.

 

As for the rest - the F-15's control system is perfectly well described in NASA's paper about it.

 

PS: There will be no physics improvements for the old planes. New flight/ground/whatever models are the domain of DCS.