A-10 Warthog

[SonofEil]

This is the Precision Attitude Control System (PACS) that uses the trim and SAS system to maintain the CCIP pipper in pitch and yaw on the target point at PACS stage 1 pull. PACS stage 2 then fires the gun. Yes, it will be DCS: A-10C.

 

You'll want a dual stage trigger for this.

 

Thanks for the memory jolt, Wags. I was trying to remember the acronyms as it's been a number of years since I worked on them. It was interesting watching the SAS (Stability Augmentation) ground checks during start-up. The rudder snapped a couple degrees right, then center. Elevator snapped up a couple of degrees, then center.

I was an engine guy on the A-10 and the one thing I know for certain is this: Gun exhaust gunks up engines!

[EtherealN]

Gun exhaust gunks up engines!

 

Bit of an understatement, I think. :P

[Focha]

Are there any latest news on the A-10C? What is the status on that one?

 

Regards.

[GGTharos]

More on A-10C after FC2 is out the door.

[Hunt3r.j2]

Personally, I think the 30mm cannon on the A-10 gets more than its fair share of press. It's a flashy party piece. Undoubtedly it's an effective weapon and probably used more often than rarely. However the Mk80, Paveway, and JDAM series of bombs has to be considered bread and butter.

 

AFAIK A-10s are not usually equipped with smart bombs because dumb bombs are in general, good enough to do the job.

[Speed]

AFAIK A-10s are not usually equipped with smart bombs because dumb bombs are in general, good enough to do the job.

 

In this day and age, with the cheapness of JDAMs, I highly suspect this is incorrect.

[Frederf]

At $400 for a Mk82 to $40,000 for a GBU-38 I wouldn't be surprised if plain ol' irons were still popular financially. The last forever-years of attack aviation has been trying to put unguided weapons into smaller and smaller barrels and they're pretty darn good at it by now.

 

I fully expect there's a big document somewhere that specifies what munitions go to what target and they use the cheapest one on the list. Structure target downtown, probably GBU, ranch in the middle of the wastes, Mk-8X.

[Speed]

At $400 for a Mk82 to $40,000 for a GBU-38 I wouldn't be surprised if plain ol' irons were still popular financially. The last forever-years of attack aviation has been trying to put unguided weapons into smaller and smaller barrels and they're pretty darn good at it by now.

 

I fully expect there's a big document somewhere that specifies what munitions go to what target and they use the cheapest one on the list. Structure target downtown, probably GBU, ranch in the middle of the wastes, Mk-8X.

 

And how much does it cost when you miss your target and kill friendlies, civilians, or simply miss your target entirely? $400 sounds cheap, are you sure of the accuracy of that number?

[Speed]

Yup, I thought that sounded too cheap, according to FAS, a Mk-82 is $1,706.97.

 

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/usaf/docs/munition-cost-11-1.htm

[sweinhart3]

This is the Precision Attitude Control System (PACS) that uses the trim and SAS system to maintain the CCIP pipper in pitch and yaw on the target point at PACS stage 1 pull. PACS stage 2 then fires the gun. Yes, it will be DCS: A-10C.

 

You'll want a dual stage trigger for this.

 

BTW incase you didnt know the TM cougar has a dual stage trigger. To use it you will simply have to take the handle apart and add a spring to the second trigger button. Didnt know that until I modded mine

[Speed]

Also keep in mind the A-10 is a CAS aircraft.... you need guided munitions to ensure you hit the bad guys and not the good.

[Hunt3r.j2]

When it comes to unguided bombs, you can get them accurate enough, mostly because there is a launch cue.

[JimMack]

When it comes to unguided bombs, you can get them accurate enough, mostly because there is a launch cue.

 

Actually, in "Danger Close Conditions" (enemy within 300 yards), even smart bombs can have too big a blast area, and do not always go exactly where they are meant to.

Experience in Afghanistan (and Iraq) has shown the most accurate weapon in danger close conditions is the cannon, hence troops call for either A-10 or Apache if they are available.

Edited March 4, 2010 by JimMack

[Feuerfalke]

That also ensures precision strikes. Let's not forget that most of these engagements are not out in the lonely desert, but next to urban areas, roads and other installations. So it's not only about limiting the danger of hitting friendly troops, but also about causing as little collateral damage as possible. And for these strikes with minimum radius and maximum effect, the gun is probably the weapon of choice. Not even to mention the psychological effect of that gun, when you're at the receiving end.

[Frederf]

And how much does it cost when you miss your target and kill friendlies, civilians, or simply miss your target entirely? $400 sounds cheap, are you sure of the accuracy of that number?

 

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk82.htm

Unit Cost $268.50

 

I rounded up to $400 because the $238.50 was in 2001 dollars. Costs of weapons is really hard to compare since the R&D and volume discount are difficult to nail down since the R&D is basically all military knowledge gained everywhere and "cost per bomb" depends entirely on the method used to calculate the number.

[Duke49th]

And how much does it cost when you miss your target and kill friendlies, civilians, or simply miss your target entirely?

 

In Afghanistan a dead civilan costs about 2.000$. ;) (I think in Iraq it is about 2.500$)

 

No idea what a dead soldier costs..but I guess not much too...maybe a few thousand dollars? Edit: ~ 400.000$

 

causing as little collateral damage as possible.

 

I love this word "collateral":rolleyes: Sounds so harmless...

Edited March 4, 2010 by Duke49th

[element1108]

In Afghanistan a dead civilan costs about 2.000$. ;) (I think in Iraq it is about 2.500$)

 

No idea what a dead soldier costs..but I guess not much too...maybe a few thousand dollars? Edit: ~ 400.000$

 

 

 

I love this word "collateral":rolleyes: Sounds so harmless...

 

 

So does "neutralized"..."enemy neutralized, ladies and gentlemen, objective completed" (S.A.I.N.T. NUMBER 5 SHORT CIRCUIT) ;)

[norm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GAU-10_Drawing.jpg

 

There ya go bud a pinup. Speaking of Pin-ups anybody miss those old pin-up girl paintings they used to put on the aircraft during world war 2? I miss those. I would'nt mind having a long legged redhead in a military jacket and skirt on my A-10. Oh well days long gone.

 

Well, You wouldn't want to attract "accidental" friendly-fire from female members of the squadron. but there is a guy in my dads boat club who's son flew an A-10 with a girl on it named thunder kiss. i will see if I can get a copy of the photo.

[Speed]

In Afghanistan a dead civilan costs about 2.000$. ;) (I think in Iraq it is about 2.500$)

 

No idea what a dead soldier costs..but I guess not much too...maybe a few thousand dollars? Edit: ~ 400.000$

 

 

 

I love this word "collateral":rolleyes: Sounds so harmless...

 

 

In Afghanistan and Iraq, dead civilians can cost you the war, and dead soldiers can cost you public support. There are innocent men, women and children being killed, accidentally by the US/NATO or intentionally by the enemy, brave young men dying in service to their country, and it's inappropriate and heartless to think it's some kind of joke. Sorry, but I just find your comment offensive.

[26-J39]

In Afghanistan a dead civilan costs about 2.000$. ;) (I think in Iraq it is about 2.500$)

 

Excuse me? How do you come up with a $price$ on an innocent civilian casualty?

[sweinhart3]

So is that the same as $2.50 USD? At that price we could easily afford the bloodiest movie ever. Hot shots part deux.

[Hunt3r.j2]

I was referring to the A-10 flying low enough that just a normal Mk82 would be fine.

 

Anyhow, with danger-close, cannon and accurate rocket fire is good enough, no?

[Hawg11]

The cannon is fixed in the fuselage,...

 

Unless you are flying the Cobra version of the A-10, then you have the turret on top...

 

[Deadman]

:lol: that is just wrong on so many levels:cry:

[Akwar]

:lol: that is just wrong on so many levels:cry:

 

You must not be a child of the 80's.I had that Cobra A-10.Besides the cannon and extra 3rd engine the wings also rotated vertical and it was VTOL.Ahhhh they just don't make the GI Joe's as good as they used to.:)