sobek Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Please, indicate to me from the above videos I have personally send, witch one includes dog fighting with Turks. You replied to one, remember? Rambler91, your Video simply proves, the horror that this plane spreads in Aegean Sea for almost 15 years. Since you have answerd back to me, I think your video is at least clumsy. Next time think twice before you interfair with sensitive National matters between others ! So if it serves your purpose, it is proof, but if not, you call others insensitive for bringing it up? Kinda dangerous attitude, if you ask me. I don't even see how my video is any worse than the one posted by rambler, considering the title. For the record, i posted the youtube link without any relation to it's nationality, simply to show that not every viper vs mirage fight ends the same way. If you can't handle that in part of the simulated engagements the greek pilots are the ones that are on the receiving end, don't bring the matter into discussion. Simple as that. Now lets get back OT :) Edited September 29, 2010 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
sungsam Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 So the F-16 pilot wasn't trained in energy fighting then? ;) And what national matters? He's clearly showing an M2000 getting owned by an F-16. Forget the rest. No but the F16 eventually looses equal advantage in extended BFM situations. That's what it usually ends up. Pilot experience also interfere with the outcome, that’s for sure. Anyway, that's what I know from HAF real pilots. What national matters? FIR continuous penetration matters over Aegean, which also happens to be EU frontiers as well! But I don’t wish to discuss any more in this thread. He's clearly showing an Greek M2000 getting owned by an Turkish F-16. You ask me to forget the rest. It’s not easy. Please understand that this is a sensitive matter in this corner of world. I have plenty of more humiliating videos to prove the opposite. I choose not to publish them in any website. Any way, can we delete Sobek’s video? DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
GGTharos Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) No but the F16 eventually looses equal advantage in extended BFM situations. That's what it usually ends up. Pilot experience also interfere with the outcome, that’s for sure. Anyway, that's what I know from HAF real pilots. THe F-16 should have an energy advantage. It's all about planning your merge. What national matters? FIR continuous penetration matters over Aegean, which also happens to be EU frontiers as well! But I don’t wish to discuss any more in this thread. He's clearly showing an Greek M2000 getting owned by an Turkish F-16. Who cares? It's an M2000 being owned by an F-16, contrary to your previous statement. You ask me to forget the rest. It’s not easy. Please understand that this is a sensitive matter in this corner of world. I have plenty of more humiliating videos to prove the opposite. I choose not to publish them in any website. Any way, can we delete Sobek’s video? No, we can't. The discussion was about the performance of two aircraft, not who they belong to. If you cannot keep nationalism out of such a discussion, then do not start such a discussion. Edited September 29, 2010 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
sungsam Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) During publishing of these videos I really didn't imagine the bad way this thread had to follow. Yes I answered back to Rumbler mentioning only about aircraft. Sobek, you directly answered to me with this sensitive video. What you really expected to answer back? Flowers? You call that reaction dangerous attitude? I am pretty sure you would have reacted the same ! There are people that simply love their countries and feel proud of. People, don't merge the nationalism with this love ! Come on, I am in a mature position to admit my faults, I overreacted ! Admit that you have done a bad “diplomacy” choice. (I now belive that you haven't done this on purpose) In the end, noone have nothing against each other ! It would be better all of us to stop this unlucky contradiction here if you all agree . Edited September 29, 2010 by sungsam DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
GGTharos Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Yes, there will be no further posting on the subject of international conflicts in the manner presented here; you are the one who brought it up sungsam - the video was posted as a response to aircraft performance. The part of the discussion which does NOT have to do with aircraft performance ends here. Like, now. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
sungsam Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Ok, If you watch carefully on all off these videos, you will find that the M2000 is prety flyable at aprox 120 IAS due to Delta Wing, while in an other situation the F16 starts stalling aprox at 135 IAS. That what I said before about " the F16 eventually looses equal advantage in extended BFM situations. That's what it usually ends up" DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
GGTharos Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Yes, you are correct; the M2000 owns the slow speed arena, so you don't want to be getting into anything that resembles scissors with him. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
sungsam Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 On the other hand F16 has a slight advandage at BVR combat. But latly this tents to be vanquished due to the new updated MICA IR/EM missiles M2000 brings. DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
InterceptoR_E111 Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) PLEASE DCS: Next module, detailed and high-fidelity F-16C Block 50 or later. A great community is waiting it for long time ago. Falcon 4.0 AF is very, very old. We need a new one, Realistic and all 3D, like BS. We have expensive hardware like Hotas Cougar. Many people with expensive mods on their HOtas. This are a good reasons.. ;) Thanks! Edited September 29, 2010 by InterceptoR_E111
Rambler91 Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Aw, s**t hits the fan.. Anyway, the plane is important, but pilot skill matters even more. Sorry if i had sparkled above open gas can. There's nothing friendly about "friendly fire" ---------------------------------------------------------------- A cigarette is a pinch of tobacco, wrapped in paper, fire at one end, fool at the other. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together. ---------------------------------------------------------------- After (M)onday and (T)uesday even the week says WTF !!
Steel Jaw Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 PLEASE DCS: Next module, detailed and high-fidelity F-16C Block 50 or later. One already exists... http://www.f4support.com/forums/index.php "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB.
InterceptoR_E111 Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 One already exists... http://www.f4support.com/forums/index.php It could not compare with the quality of a DCS sim, in every way (Aerodynamic model, physical, graphics, compatibility with other DCS modules, like BS...). But this is my opinion. I think DCS would make a good quality product, lifelike. :smilewink:
digital_steve Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 LOL! I can't believe that my tongue-in-cheek French joke sparked a 2 page debate over a delta wing versus an f-16 Sense of humour injections or supplements are in need on this forum sometimes; it gets a tad dry around these parts. AMD Phenom II 965 BE @ 3.8GHz, 8GB OCZ AMD BE RAM, ATI HD5970 2GB XFX BE @ 875/1215, TM HOTAS Cougar, TM Cougar MFDs, TrackIR 5, CH MFP, GoFlight Switch Panel, iMo Mini-Monster Touch, Mimo 720S, Saitek Pro Flight Headset
Callsign.Vega Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 The Mirage 2000 is clearly better than F-16's; based off of Youtube video's? lol GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
sungsam Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) The Mirage 2000 is clearly better than F-16's; based off of Youtube video's? lol No the F-16 is best on everything based off of Youtube video's ! How you compare different planes that have been designed for different roles ? Discussion Is not M2000 vs F-16, it’s only a M2000 character presentation. In my opinion, M2000 is more efficient as an interceptor, while f-16 is a multirole fighter that commits most of the roles well indeed ! Combat A/Cs are tools, there is always a specialized tool for every work ! :smilewink: Edited September 30, 2010 by sungsam DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
power5 Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 Not sure what I am seeing wrong, but seems the M2000 was able to hold the F16 in gunsights better than F16. But, can not understand videos. I like delta wing A/C better in general. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
joey45 Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) Wow how many pages of F16 Vs M2000.... Make a new thread about it or stop it please.. Hawk T2a would be great.. have some advance training for the fast jets.. EDIT: or the Yak 130 Edited October 1, 2010 by joey45 The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
joey45 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Never the Longbow.. too much secret stuff on it ... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
revalence Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Wow how many pages of F16 Vs M2000.... Make a new thread about it or stop it please.. Hawk T2a would be great.. have some advance training for the fast jets.. EDIT: or the Yak 130 never thought about that but a great idea! We could seriously use a trainer. Maybe a naval one?
joey45 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 T-45C then ^^ Maybe ED could ask if they could do a DTS for them.... would save on fuel, flying hours on the airframe and what not.... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Pilotasso Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) On the other hand F16 has a slight advandage at BVR combat. But latly this tents to be vanquished due to the new updated MICA IR/EM missiles M2000 brings. F-16 has got more range, better radar, more powerful engine and longer ranged missiles, and thats with MICA included. Theres a reason why the french want the meteor on the rafale. ;) So the F-16 doesnt only have a slight BVR advantage, but it has a substantial one at that. The Mirage is faster and can fly higher making it a better interceptor, but the F-16 should take the cake on everything else. I have pilots to whom I also speak with. ;) Edited October 2, 2010 by Pilotasso .
cheezy Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 I would like to sea the oh-58d, you can probably get good info on it, and it's been around for a while, some CAS missions would be fun. And recon hiding behind trees using the Mast mounted Sight
sungsam Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 F-16 has got more range, better radar, more powerful engine and longer ranged missiles, and thats with MICA included. Theres a reason why the french want the meteor on the rafale. ;) So the F-16 doesnt only have a slight BVR advantage, but it has a substantial one at that. The Mirage is faster and can fly higher making it a better interceptor, but the F-16 should take the cake on everything else. I have pilots to whom I also speak with. ;) Hi, Well it is suposed to be a good interceptor/DogFighter, Range is not a big deal in this neiborhoood, and BVR also hardy applies ! :smilewink: DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
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