Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[Pilotasso]

The falcon is faster than the hornet, better climb, higher thrust to weight ratio but slightly less capable in the lower extreme of the envelope (speed and AOA) where the hornets have the upper hand.

 

The Viper drivers usualy like to take the hornet in vertical scissors, while the hornet pilots preffer flat turns at slow speed.

[Jona33]

The Hornet/Super Hornet and the F-16 have the same speed and the F-15 are faster than both, but the Hornet and the Falcon have a really close performance, the Eagle beat both, but the Hornet can Carry more weapon than both, the Super Hornet can carry 12 AIM-120 and 2 more AIM-9, same thing for A/G weapon

The superhornet does not match the strike eagle for payload. Since the Eagle can easily carry 8 GBU-38's and a GBU-31 I really doubt it. 12 AIM-120's and you'll have so much drag it's not worth it. You just don't do that. More than the falcon I will give you.

 

 

 

 

"Jack of all trades but master of none"

 

 

and if you look at The Battle Simulator website you can see a lot of time the Hornet.

The point being...

 

And the reason of why the next aircraft can be the Hornet is that DCS are the civilian version of the military training simulator and with the new F-35, the Hornet are the best for training pilot for the F-35 and the simulator will be useful for training new pilot who will replace the best pilot of the Navy who flying with the Hornet and who will be promoted for flight with the F-35 cause actual Super Hornet not will be totally replaced and Navy will need new pilot...

The only new thing with the Falcon its a new version for export only, ok the F-15 will soon have the new Silent Eagle but the same thing will be done for the Hornet too.

 

Its what i think...

 

I don't agree with this but it's my opinion.

[EtherealN]

but the Hornet can Carry more weapon than both, the Super Hornet can carry 12 AIM-120 and 2 more AIM-9, same thing for A/G weapon

 

"Regular" Hornet can also carry impressive weapon loads - 10 slammers and two heaters plus option for centreline tank - but that is a load that will make a slow bird even slower. Neat thing to have when you need it, but that time when you actually need it won't happen very often.

 

 

Neat and all, but useful? I guess if the entire russian air force is heading for your carrier, but otherwise not worth it. :P

 

Also, the Strike Eagle carries the Harpoon just fine - and the SLAM-ER:

 

[MemphisBelle]

I don´t care whether it´s the Hornet, the Eagle or the Falcon. I love all of them. Only thing I want to enjoy is the speed and the power while climbing up into the sky. :pilotfly:

[Demongornot]

@Pilotasso

Yes but the speed difference against the Hornet and the Falcon depend of the version cause several version of the Falcon are not faster than the Hornet but other are...

And the Falcon are extremely stable with a really nice computer assistance, that was nice but that limit the aircraft maneuverability compare to the Hornet, cause the Hornet can take extreme AOA without stall, the F-15 and the F-16 can't.

And f we forget training the Hornet never will fight against Eagle or Falcon in war situation, more chance against Mig or Sukhoï and the Hornet are good for fight against Russian plane...

 

@Jona33

The Super Hornet can carry 4 JDAM/JSOW but can carry 7 GBU 10/12/16...10 Mk82/83 and anyway we can take A/G weapon and complete that with AIM-120 for eventual enemy aircraft in the sector...

Yeah like that the maneuverability of the Hornet will be really poor, but he can anyway flight high with the maximum payload and drop JDAM from really high altitude, same for GBU and Maverick from long range where the maneuverability are not important first, after for Mk82 or other low altitude weapon...yes, but before use that a high altitude strike are better...

And with big payload it still more maneuverability than the A10C and if a bandit will coming any aircraft must have to jettison A/G weapon and eventual fuel tank...

Anyways the Hornet still a great plane anyway.

 

@EtherealN

Its useful cause in BVR several strategy consist to firing AIM-120 for spam enemy but keep AIM-7 (i know not i was retired) at principal weapon, the number of AMRAAM can really change a lot of thing, mainly against several target, cause with BVR combat its not impossible to see 4 missile firing against a single target...

The F/A-18C/D Hornet can carry 10 and the E/F Super Hornet can carry 12 with the 2 additional pylons...

And sorry and thanks for the information, i did not know for the F-15

And its a really nice aircraft, fore the Raptor that was the master of the sky but i still think that a dual seat only will be a problem, i wonder see a single seat variant of the F-15E but that don't exist badly...

And we already have as flyable the air superiority F-15C with Flaming Cliff, F-16 and F-18 will be better about that...

I just hope we will have a single and dual seat variant for the next aircraft (or maybe F-15E with F-15C but that will be complicated)

 

Anyways the next aircraft will be the TR-3B and the flying legend the F-117 or the SR-71 its why we will have the Nevada map :D

 

Edit : @MemphisBelle Yeah i prefer the Super Hornet but i think exactly the same thing !!!

Edited January 7, 2012 by Demongornot
@MemphisBelle Yeah i prefer the Super Hornet but i think exactly the same thing !!!

[MemphisBelle]

According to Flying legend, what does that actually mean? Will we have a Legendary Aircraft on the same level of detail and accuracy as the Warthog and now the new Black Shark?

And after we got that, the new Module will be available as well...so 2 Aircrafts?

 

I dont really understand what Wags was trying to tell me by that :helpsmilie:

[Prophet1606687883]

Hmmm what about the Panavia Tornado?

 

Swing-wings figther-bomber with two seats - would be interesting to fly and the two-seat setting would make for some darn interesting coop multiplay :)

[Shein]

Its driving my crazy. I wish they'd just announce the new aircraft already!!!!!

[Frostiken]

And the reason of why the next aircraft can be the Hornet is that DCS are the civilian version of the military training simulator and with the new F-35, the Hornet are the best for training pilot for the F-35 and the simulator will be useful for training new pilot who will replace the best pilot of the Navy who flying with the Hornet and who will be promoted for flight with the F-35 cause actual Super Hornet not will be totally replaced and Navy will need new pilot...

DCS: A-10C was created because ANG/AFR pilots needed avionics integration training on the new rollout of the A-10C with all its neat new features. They don't use it for training new pilots, the guys in there are already A-10A pilots.

 

Your reason is incredibly silly, because they already have training tools for F/A-18s in existence. Plus, the legacy Hornet has been in the process of being mothballed for a while, replaced by both the Superhornet and, eventually, the F-35. If there was ever going to be a reason for an F/A-18 military simulator, it'd probably be for a foreign country.

 

The F-15E actually has a potential reason for having a military simulator - in the last six years it's received billions of dollars of avionics upgrades and oodles of new features (with more coming down the pipeline in the next few beyond that), because the F-15E is expected to be in service for another twenty-some years. I've personally used one of the new trainers and it's really quite crude, so I can definitely see a window for a HOTAS trainer for much the same reason the A-10 needed one. The only modernization program I know of that exists for the legacy Hornet was to update the ancient dilapidated models to be somewhat comparable to the -C.

 

Its driving my crazy. I wish they'd just announce the new aircraft already!!!!!

 

Yeah... :(

 

They said it was in case they don't get permission to release a civilian version, but what would that mean, that we simply get told nothing?

[ALDEGA]

... but what would that mean, that we simply get told nothing?

Maybe knowing it would make the wait even harder for some :D

[MemphisBelle]

Maybe knowing it would make the wait even harder for some :D

 

I think that´s damn true. If we would know what comes next, so one could read everywhere..."when does it comes out, when will we have it" and so on.

I know that there will come something special one day, untill that day I have still enough to learn about the Hog and the Shark.

[Laud]

Maybe knowing it would make the wait even harder for some :D

 

While for some it would be very helpful to plan and organize their squadrons future roadmap!

 

:smartass:

[hog_driver111th]

While for some it would be very helpful to plan and organize their squadrons future roadmap!

 

:smartass:

 

Or at the very least, knowing if I should keep my cougar or if I can sell it.

[LostOblivion]

Does anyone have any info regarding Thrustmaster or others making another replica stick for the next title?

[jp203000]

Does anyone have any info regarding Thrustmaster or others making another replica stick for the next title?

 

No they won't , because that will hurt our warthog users.

[LostOblivion]

No they won't , because that will hurt our warthog users.

Lol. Like me? I wouldn't mind buying another HOTAS for say the hornet, even if it ment living off noodles for three months. :)

 

Edit: Depends on how different it is, anyone have any good pictures of the hornet HOTAS?

[hog_driver111th]

I can't copy image links from my iPad for some reason, but I'd say I'm set for twin or single engine. Even if it's the hornet, the TM warthog is fine for me. I just want to know if I can take the parts from my cougar for my pit or sell it.

[MemphisBelle]

Or at the very least, knowing if I should keep my cougar or if I can sell it.

 

 

I don´t think, that it would make a big difference if the upcoming Module is already known for Squadrons future Roadmaps or known just by official announcement.

Dont get me wrong. I am burning for curiosity according the new module, but we can´t do anythings against the (strange) decisions of ED. Complaining doesn´t take anythings, so we´ve got to live with that.

[Stratos]

I never got interested by a Warthog HOTAS, BUT if a HOTAS for the Hornet is released, I will realy think about it.

[Cupra]

TM would more or less just make a new stick to put on the base, new software version and finished :thumbup:

[EtherealN]

Its useful cause in BVR several strategy consist to firing AIM-120 for spam enemy but keep AIM-7 (i know not i was retired) at principal weapon

 

No. Air-quakers "spam" AIM-120's. Real fighter pilots do not. You launch when you have a reasonable PK. If you don't have that, you don't launch, you maneuver to get yourself to a reasonable PK. If your PK is low, launching multiple weapons doesn't do much for you except deplete stocks. (The russians do use multiple-launch more, but partially this is about launching multiple types of weapons, AFAIK, for example one R-27R with an R-27T buddy.)

 

the number of AMRAAM can really change a lot of thing, mainly against several target

 

As far as I remember (but I didn't look too closly), the C-hornet cannot engage 10 targets simultaenously. If I were to bet, it has the roughly same multiple-target capability as the Eagle.

 

Further, remember that until pitbull, you need all your targets to stay within the cone. Launch 10 slammers on a formation, then see it disperse and have 5 of your weapons ballistic and worthless, your other weapons are in low-PK and maybe kills one or two guys, and at the same time you have 5 guys that have long since been back offensive on you, another 3 guys coming in behind them, and you are out of weapons in a draggy plane. You are dead. ;)

 

Now, if your targets are nice to you and calmly stay in a massive fingertip formation while your weapons guide, sure... :P

 

cause with BVR combat its not impossible to see 4 missile firing against a single target...

 

The pilot that does this was asleep during training, or is extremely desperate. And if desperate, it's better to turn and run - but with all that drag on your bird from the dual-launchers, you are not going anywhere fast.

 

 

but i still think that a dual seat only will be a problem, i wonder see a single seat variant of the F-15E but that don't exist badly...

 

Single-seat F-15E is when one of the pilots is taking a nap. :P

There's very few things you cannot do from either pit. The nuke-button perhaps... and of course some things might be easier from the rear pit since the instrumentation is more geared towards the backseater's intended role. But basically, there is nothing that really stops you from flying it solo and doing a fully competent combat mission.

[GGTharos]

The real answer is 'it depends' ... there are definitely reasons to spam missiles.

 

As for the R-27's, they are dual-launched (same type even) because this increases Pk.

 

No. Air-quakers "spam" AIM-120's. Real fighter pilots do not. You launch when you have a reasonable PK. If you don't have that, you don't launch, you maneuver to get yourself to a reasonable PK. If your PK is low, launching multiple weapons doesn't do much for you except deplete stocks. (The russians do use multiple-launch more, but partially this is about launching multiple types of weapons, AFAIK, for example one R-27R with an R-27T buddy.)

[EtherealN]

Thanks. :)

I'm getting rusty. :P

[Demongornot]

@Frostiken Thanks for information

@EtherealN thanks too for information

I keep see several advantage to the Hornet and anyways we will see what will be the next !

 

And i have never think about the possibility to flying alone in the cockpit of the Strike Eagle, that can be strange sometime but yeah its true the pilot can without problem flight alone (or disable copilot AI) and do coop mission for multiplayer when he want !

 

But ED Team must add the QF-4 drone for training mission and we lest us say FOX FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOX !!

:D

 

More seriously, if for next aircraft we will have a dual seat a great thing to implement will be the possibility to ear the guy with us in the cockpit without need teamspeak skype or other additional software.

[MemphisBelle]

I only say Eagle Drivers...

 

and the same in Lock on Environment...cool editing:

 

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Guest/712/

Edited January 8, 2012 by MemphisBelle