Great MP ! 104th Server

[Case]

got the exact same problem here to, already posted it on the 104th forums BTW.

Zooming out before take-off is of course possible, but if you have been looking around, what ya do quite a lot as a ground pounder.

And you reset the view then its back to zoomed in again......, So you end up spending more time on zooming in/out the cockpit view then that your looking for targets or doing other useful stuff.

I second this. (Or is it third?)

 

I am not using the TIR zoom but use a button on the joystick to zoom in and out. Hence zooming out at loading in is hardly a nuisance, but having to zoom out each time I reset the zoom is. Furthermore, the snapviews are also overwritten, and I use a few very regularly, so that adds even more. Finally, I dislike the default green HUD and use a yellow one instead which for me personally has better visibility against clouds.

[theGozr]

but having to zoom out each time I reset the zoom is

 

You lost me here.. !

[unknwn]

I mostly fly Su-25T. Here's the cab view on 104th server:

 

As obvious, I don't see half of my HUD, very little of IT-23M screen and most importantly, I don't see Beryoza. I can not play like that.

 

Here's my view in the cab on every other server I checked:

 

See the difference?

I have the same issue. Everytime i zoom in and zoom out i have to reset FOV to widest manually,because it is what i like to use. Thats really unconfortable. Actually i avoided to fly in 104th server since this issue came out.

 

 

I guess we can look at disabling forced views. In one way they are good to enforce to stop people from setting unrealistic views. I don't think it's fair to say that the settings are unplayable as they are similar to the default view, just with more DOF. Thanks Hajduk for pointing this out.

 

 

It should not. We have edited the amount of 6dof to something much greater than default. However, I do not believe we edited the default head position and I still find it very playable.

 

This is likely an isolated issue. Please post in our forums. I'm sure someone with a bit more knowledge than I can help you get this sorted out.

 

Thanks

 

Aero

So how about changing defaul FOV to widest in forced views? That would fix this problem. How many pilots like to use default FOV setting (for example tunnel view in su25)?

Edited April 12, 2010 by unknwn

[theGozr]

 

Here a quick sample video

 

Using my Mod setting 6DOF it will set the snap to a wide limit that is good and not a too much ultra wide ..

 

Here for the 25T

Snap[4][13]["viewAngle"] = 120.0

 

My Track-IR is not using Zoom, i use Track IR only to move axis views .

Edited April 12, 2010 by theGozr

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I sort of suspected other people are having the same issue as I do. Few guys in my squad also complained about the same issue. Anyway ...

 

Yes, can you not just manually zoom out after entering the cockpit?

Unfortunately, the answer is no. FC 2.0 does not work the same way as BS. In BS it can be done and it works perfectly. In FC 2.0, once you set up your TIR for Zoom, your manual zoom in and out is then disabled. It works the same way as in FC 1.XX.

 

Either I fly with FreeTrack or without anything ;]

That's the difference between your and my set up. I use TiR 5 and it works like a charm. However, if server forces FOV then there it is a no go for me. Because I don't see important instruments in the cab.

 

My Track-IR is not using Zoom, i use Track IR only to move axis views .

First of all, with your video, you still needed to move your had down to see Beryoza, even with the "full zoom out" in the cab. I solved that problem with adjusting my Vertical Head position, see picture below:

 

Second, you dont use TiR for zoom. That tells it all. Without TIr for aoom, you can manualy zoom in and out. But, I can't with TIr.

 

... but if it helps i use an older TIR3 (driver 4.1.037)

You are not using TIr 3 for zoom do you?

[theGozr]

That's the difference between your and my set up. I use TiR 5 and it works like a charm. However, if server forces FOV then there it is a no go for me. Because I don't see important instruments in the cab.

And you are using Track IR 5.. make no sens sorry.. TIR is made to use your head.. even in the real aircraft you have to move your head to see a precise instrument witch is why making more realistic views is a good point.

 

 

First of all, with your video, you still needed to move your had down to see Beryoza, even with the "full zoom out" in the cab. I solved that problem with adjusting my Vertical Head position, see picture below:

 

Second, you dont use TiR for zoom. That tells it all. Without TIr for aoom, you can manualy zoom in and out. But, I can't with TIr.

Roll angle ? snap[1] has nothing to do with SU-25T ????? ( [1] is for SU-27) SnapViews.lua

 

You are not using TIr 3 for zoom do you?

Like in real if i want to see an instrument i lean over it and maybe a little Zoom in to compensate or actually Zoom view "Normal" is perfect.

I'm not using Track IR 3 but 5 or you can set teh track ir to zoom in as well.. I dont get the problem here..

 

Here my view

Edited April 12, 2010 by theGozr

[Distiler]

Have you used the option "save profile" from one aircraft and "load profile" to another aircraft? if so, then perhaps you screwed some lua in the process. It happens with joystick profile and the solution is to do some tricks (get from somebody the whole /aircraft folder as it is by default) or reinstall the sim.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Roll angle ? snap[1] has nothing to do with SU-25T ????? ( [1] is for SU-27) SnapViews.lua

The highlighted one is where the cursor was left at the time I took a screenshot. That is not a Head vertical Angle "thing".

 

The value I am talking about is the "vAngle". I changed it from -9 to -16. Take another look at that screenshot.

[S77th-konkussion]

I use a TiR5 and have not had any issues seeing around. Specifically in the Frog- I'd like it to zoom out a little bit farther at times-but nothing you could call a dealbreaker. Basically- my mirrors are partially off the screen. No biggie.

 

In case it's related- I'll mention that during initial setup I noticed that my monitor aspect choices contained 16:10-- not what I expected to see-- 16:9. In case it matters.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Have you used the option "save profile" from one aircraft and "load profile" to another aircraft? if so, then perhaps you screwed some lua in the process. It happens with joystick profile and the solution is to do some tricks (get from somebody the whole /aircraft folder as it is by default) or reinstall the sim.

No I haven't becuase what you are describing has nothing to do with adjusting FOV, Head Vertical Position and the use of TIr for zoom problem.

[theGozr]

I see Hajduk but changing this value on the [1] do not change the SU25T.. i just want you to understand if in case i didn't understand..

 

Changing the Snap[4][13]["vAngle"] = -16 ( SU25T )

 

Yes is good..

Edited April 12, 2010 by theGozr

[Breakshot]

Interesting discussion guys... just out of curiosity, does this problem occur for anyone on our server (<51>Server) too?

 

Im guessing its probably related due to view.lua file enforcing view settings through the mission file, yes? Or is there something else to it?

[Prophet]

Seems to me its a problem with using TIR for zoom.

[104th_Crunch]

Thank you Hejduk and everyone for the explanations. It seems it would be better to give clients back the ability to set their own view related settings. If people like expanded 6DOF then they can download a mod like Gozr's for example. I think the only real concern is people setting a high zoom, but this can be of limited use anyway. We will shut off forced view setting on the server as soon a we can get to it.

[104th_Crunch]

Interesting discussion guys... just out of curiosity, does this problem occur for anyone on our server (<51>Server) too?

 

Im guessing its probably related due to view.lua file enforcing view settings through the mission file, yes? Or is there something else to it?

 

server.lua saved in the mission file.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Interesting discussion guys... just out of curiosity, does this problem occur for anyone on our server (<51>Server) too?

No problems on 51st server.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Seems to me its a problem with using TIR for zoom.

Mainly, yes, you are right. However, it looks like, "none TIr" people are haveing problems as well. Edited April 13, 2010 by =4c= Hajduk Veljko

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I see Hajduk but changing this value on the [1] do not change the SU25T.. i just want you to understand if in case i didn't understand..

 

Changing the Snap[4][13]["vAngle"] = -16 ( SU25T )

 

Yes is good..

It was a Su-27 screen shot as you noted. That was the one I had on file. But, I see, you figured it out.

[theGozr]

:) So now lets see and check the 104 and 51 servers :) I really love to see more servers up from the four corners of the world :)

[Vecko]

We will shut off forced view setting on the server as soon a we can get to it.

 

TY Crunch, i'm waiting this answer for some time...It is very anoying to always pushing my head down when i need to look in RWR.I don't use TIR.

[Distiler]

I mostly fly Su-25T. Here's the cab view on 104th server:

 

As obvious, I don't see half of my HUD, very little of IT-23M screen and most importantly, I don't see Beryoza. I can not play like that.

 

Here's my view in the cab on every other server I checked:

 

See the difference?

 

The first pic is the correct one in fact for out of the box FC2. Second one is not default view. No in single player, not in multiplayer.

Check with or without 6DoF (mind some Simmod A-10 packages include 6DoF mod for all planes) in quickstart mission for example, it's the same default zoom.

 

I don't have trackir so I guess your callibrating trackir for a less zoomed view than center view or normal zoom or something like that (key "5" centers view, key "enter" sets default zoom).

Edited April 13, 2010 by Distiler

[104th_Crunch]

TY Crunch, i'm waiting this answer for some time...It is very anoying to always pushing my head down when i need to look in RWR.I don't use TIR.

 

Ok done. Please double check and let me know if your own views are now working.

[Case]

Views are working fine now. Thanks for fixing this Crunch!

[104th_Crunch]

Thanks for testing Case.

[S77th-ReOrdain]

Changing the UseDefaultSnapViews = value (line 51 in view.lua) should solve the client view issue. I believe, but not sure, the mission designer designer needs to have the "global" settings box unchecked to prevent that option from being overridden.

 

I too use snapviews frequently, I noticed right away that the server was forcing my views, and an attempt to set your own in game, doesn't work. Obviously, I prefer my own views to see the instruments that my failing eyesight can't see when zoomed out. Zoom function works, but it takes longer to zoom than it does to snap. Tenths of seconds often matter. All that said, adapting and overcoming has its merits.

 

Either way, 104th is doing good things for the community and their server(s) offer great online flying. Keep up the good work.

Edited April 13, 2010 by S77th-ReOrdain
Views fixed