Important for the Lockon Community

[RvEYoda]

PS: for those who are thinking about a mod-switcher, i advise you (if you havent already done) to look at IL-2 Ultrapack JSGME mod-pack installer. You can save servers with pre-sets and activate the server-pack depending where you are going to joing. VERY handy.. Many servers

out there in IL-2 with different mod requirements.

 

This is what we need, but it needs to be as automated as possible so people

do not get confused by "integrity check failed", they need to be told when trying

to join a server that they have to activate a certain mod.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I thank Jiri very much for all his work on HL. Recently, with 64 bit Vista and Win 7, I could not make HL to properly show its GUI. Nevertheless, it was a good piece of software.

 

But now, I don't need HL any more, one program less to take care about. Built-in game browser is showing way more servers available. HL felt so empty at times creating a weird feeling.

[Ramstein]

why would anyone be against HL having the new FC2.0 implemented.. ??

wth??

 

It's no skin off anyone's nose that doesn't use it..

 

10 years of previous versions working... with many sims..

 

why the hell would anyone pop in and say no? just to be a %$%##$$@$%% ??

 

:huh:

[Protos]

Many don't like Hyperlobby for various reasons.

That is their right.

Its also their right to publicly voice their opinion on a move that would split the mp community.

That is not being a ****

 

Seems pretty damn prudent to me. Far better to fix the current server browser.

[Bearitall]

Many don't like Hyperlobby for various reasons.

That is their right.

Its also their right to publicly voice their opinion on a move that would split the mp community.

That is not being a ****

 

Seems pretty damn prudent to me. Far better to fix the current server browser.

 

Whoaaa! there buddy!!!

 

As good as the server list is in FC2 it is missing one big thing..an obviously you don't see it..

 

In the FC2 server list there is no interactivity between members which strengthens the community..all it does now is distance everyone...that is where HL has it over the FC2 server list even though it is as good as it is...

 

Remember UbiSoft had there server list and all it did is distance everyone, some went this way and some went that way how can you build a strong community that way..UbiSoft didn't really care about the Sim community they were just wanting to get you interested in the other products so you would purchase them this is how marketing works get you in the door and you are bound to buy something...

 

Yes everyone has there choice my is HL..and all the new friends I make whether good or bad...remember there are no bad planes just bad pilots...:thumbup:

[Bearitall]

why would anyone be against HL having the new FC2.0 implemented.. ??

wth??

 

It's no skin off anyone's nose that doesn't use it..

 

10 years of previous versions working... with many sims..

 

why the hell would anyone pop in and say no? just to be a %$%##$$@$%% ??

 

:huh:

 

Because they don't know any better:doh:

 

I mean let's say there wasn't a Hyperlobby...and FC2 didn't have a server list ...damn alot of single player mission going on...Hyperlobby is progress and some don't like progress even if it strengthens the community

[Kuky]

There is good and bad in everything.. HL included... I said I would preffer to have integrated server list/chat lobby etc to needing 3rd party software and I stick to this choice... to say I am therefore just wanting to be a %$%##$$@$%% is not #$%* nice so just stick to your opinion and let others express theirs

[Frostie]

Its also their right to publicly voice their opinion on a move that would split the mp community.

How?

Maybe have a rethink on that one. :thumbup:

[RvEFuSiOn]

Many don't like Hyperlobby for various reasons.

That is their right.

Its also their right to publicly voice their opinion on a move that would split the mp community.

That is not being a ****

 

Seems pretty damn prudent to me. Far better to fix the current server browser.

 

^ This shows complete ignorance on your part, and I'm guessing.... no no I'm almost positive you haven't read the rest of the posts made on this very point. Please revert back to earlier posts and see what has been mentioned on this.

 

Do half of you realize that HL is the only place where you can truly express yourself freely, no forum or any other place allows you to do that. Some people don't like that much freedom I guess.

A wise man once told me every decision you make in life is either from Fear or from Love. Ask yourselves where are you coming from?

 

Peace

[BuzyBat]

ppl that don't like HL have no clue about the 'ignore/unignore' menu?

[Protos]

^ This shows complete ignorance on your part, and I'm guessing.... no no I'm almost positive you haven't read the rest of the posts made on this very point. Please revert back to earlier posts and see what has been mentioned on this.

 

Do half of you realize that HL is the only place where you can truly express yourself freely, no forum or any other place allows you to do that. Some people don't like that much freedom I guess.

A wise man once told me every decision you make in life is either from Fear or from Love. Ask yourselves where are you coming from?

 

Peace

 

 

Name calling ..... must have hit home/hurt.

You want bandaid ?

 

Somehow talk about a server browser has turned into discussion on Freedom. Funny how reluctant those same people are to practice what they preach in regards to letting others express a differing point of view.:censored:

 

Its all good, I got a few more days till my new video card arrives so am happy to 'engage'.

 

Haha, never thought I would be defending ED, but I am liking FC2 more and more. And not including a 'common' chat is looking like a damn smart move on their part. For whatever reason I believe they will eventually fix the current browser and that for me and plenty of others is more than enough.

 

Apparently your version of Freedom doesn't allow for others to disagree with you.

[104th_Crunch]

In this thread AS really hit home with a list of the positives of HL support for FC2 and I can't agree more even if there are some negatives IMO. Protos, you make an interesting point about no support for common chat in FC2 by ED. Without moderation there could be something as simple as swearing that would offend many people. Perhaps that's why there is none.

 

Curious, is there a current game that supports in game chat before joining a server as an example?

 

Regardless, there is no question that HL was a massive plus for FC1 since there was no server browser and Jiri's work has to be commended.

[Protos]

There are actually many games that support chat before joining a server. The ones I am aware of are mostly fps.

 

 

Imho all that is needed is a very simplified Irc style client added to the current server browser that would allow each player to add 'channels' whether they be squadron/tournament/competiton/ or public chat.

 

- Friends list (Tracked by guid key to stop aliasing)

- Private message function

- Ability to create semi permanent 'rooms'

- Server sort order options

 

After all this is basically what Hyperlobby is now.

 

This is not hard to code for at all... most likely it a question of cost. Its been my experience that Russians hate to pay for bandwidth .... but even this argument can be overcome with renting a quite basic/inexpensive vps or using current dedicated hosting.

 

It really won't have to do much so by definition it wont cost much. Heck if they are willing to add those small additions to the current server browser I will pay for it for the first year.

 

All the benefits of the Lobby without any PROBLEMS of a common chat.

 

Regardless of what the originators of the 'Important for the Lockon Community' thread write, I think all the Hyperlobby proponents are pissing into the wind.

I don't envision ED splitting their multiplayer community after going to the trouble of coding Integrity Checks and a Server Browser. I only hope-expect it to be improved, and am actually confident that it will be.

 

Its not that we don't like or respect what Jiri did for simming. It just that some of us are living in the year 2010 and ready to move on to a proper sim that has these functions as core.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Protos

[Grimes]

Well at this stage of the game I'd be awfully surprised if ED comes out with an improvement to the server browser that isn't in the form of a DCS game. Thus the only viable option to improve multiplayer for Flaming Cliffs is hyperlobby or an application similar to hyperlobby.

[Xifos]

It just that some of us are living in the year 2010 and ready to move on to a proper sim that has these functions as core.

 

+1 solid post.

 

Set up a paypal acccount and I am happy to contribute :thumbup:

[159th_Viper]

Indeed :thumbup:

 

There are actually many games that support chat before joining a server. The ones I am aware of are mostly fps.

 

 

Imho all that is needed is a very simplified Irc style client added to the current server browser that would allow each player to add 'channels' whether they be squadron/tournament/competiton/ or public chat.

 

- Friends list (Tracked by guid key to stop aliasing)

- Private message function

- Ability to create semi permanent 'rooms'

- Server sort order options

 

After all this is basically what Hyperlobby is now.

 

This is not hard to code for at all... most likely it a question of cost. Its been my experience that Russians hate to pay for bandwidth .... but even this argument can be overcome with renting a quite basic/inexpensive vps or using current dedicated hosting.

 

It really won't have to do much so by definition it wont cost much. Heck if they are willing to add those small additions to the current server browser I will pay for it for the first year.

 

All the benefits of the Lobby without any PROBLEMS of a common chat.

 

Regardless of what the originators of the 'Important for the Lockon Community' thread write, I think all the Hyperlobby proponents are pissing into the wind.

I don't envision ED splitting their multiplayer community after going to the trouble of coding Integrity Checks and a Server Browser. I only hope-expect it to be improved, and am actually confident that it will be.

 

Its not that we don't like or respect what Jiri did for simming. It just that some of us are living in the year 2010 and ready to move on to a proper sim that has these functions as core.

[Ramstein]

you guys are confusing the hellout of me..

 

as far as I know HL does not affect any code at all in any games it hosts...

 

Jiri just uses parsing code so his server captures the propers packets, the people use his software to run the mulitplayer... with the bonus of chat..

 

Why do people care if somone can launch a game through HyperLobby? if they don't want to use it don't as it has no affect on their life at all !

 

It is if they see someone else having fun so they butt in and say I don't like you to have fun so I am going to complain..

 

Again, the games have/require no changes at all. PERIOD. The code is all on Jiris server..

 

Maybe the people raising a stink just don't understand and think there are going to be some changes of some type in their flight sim, there does not need to be one bit/byte of change anywhere..

 

Jiri only need someone to send him the packet info so he can make the necessary additions to his HyperLobby server..

 

A person can use certain packet capture tools (free off the Internet) and give that code info to Jiri. And this is not hacking, it is only info on packets.. I hope I am clear so people understand and don't make something out of this it is not..

 

I hope this clears up misperceptions/misunderstanding some people int he community might have and why they are so negative about the whole process..

 

** Jiri sometimes like to have a copy of a game so he can work on capturing the packets himself so he does not have to work with limited information sent from people who do not understand the information he needs..

 

:smilewink:

Edited June 16, 2010 by Ramstein

[RvEFuSiOn]

^.... Sigh.... at least someone gets it....

Edited June 16, 2010 by =RvE=FuSiOn

[Frostie]

Name calling ..... must have hit home/hurt.

You want bandaid ?

 

Somehow talk about a server browser has turned into discussion on Freedom. Funny how reluctant those same people are to practice what they preach in regards to letting others express a differing point of view.:censored:

 

Its all good, I got a few more days till my new video card arrives so am happy to 'engage'.

 

Haha, never thought I would be defending ED, but I am liking FC2 more and more. And not including a 'common' chat is looking like a damn smart move on their part. For whatever reason I believe they will eventually fix the current browser and that for me and plenty of others is more than enough.

 

Apparently your version of Freedom doesn't allow for others to disagree with you.

This is a really crazy post, first of all there was no name calling on Fusion's part. He said you were ignoring previous posts or the situation.

How you decipher name calling from that is anyone's guess.

 

Opinions on disagreeing with HL is a fair stance and should be respected especially when members have been dragged through the mud by way of foul mouthed tirades and underhanded treatment in HL in the past.

 

But to disagree by stating the community will be split on the presumption that ED will hopefully (fingers and toes crossed) make the lobby more accessible is a weak argument.

 

You rightly note that there is no chat function in ED's lobby plus there are no members visibly residing in said lobby so how can there even be a community there to split?

All servers that get started through HL will show up in ED's lobby, so I ask again, how will the community be split if there is nothing there to begin with?

 

Im guessing your answer is to sit on your hands and wait for ED to tailor the browser to your wishes. Good luck with that.

Personally, I don't want to waste a couple of years+ hoping for an element of organisation and interaction when HL is waiting to give the community what is missing. ;)

Edited June 16, 2010 by Frostie

[Breakshot]

^^

Well said Frostie!

 

And i certainly agree with the majority here, HL is the way to go! Those who dont want to use it got the Server browser to fall back on... its a win-win situation either way!

[coolts]

As far as I can make out, its not an "either" but an "or", assuming HL is updated for FC2.0

 

I could then use that or the built in server browser, (if and when it is hopefully updated).

 

The best would hopefully prove most popular and the least popular would improve or be marginalised.

 

Give me HL and let me make my mind up, (do we need to buy the author a copy of FC2.0 to make this happen? I'd pay a euro or whatever for a better multiplayer interface any day).

 

My two-pennies-worth.:thumbup:

[Protos]

^.... Sigh.... at least someone gets it....

 

HL is a great meeting place where we can all get together and talk s###. :D

 

we will post soon(aahhh, spaming and troling in realtime:D).

 

 

Oh we get it all too well .....

[Protos]

AS your misrepresenting the case, most especially in regards to newcomers.

 

One day this game is going to be on Steam.

 

Newcomers are not going to get help quickly on Hyperlobby, because they wont have a clue what it is. Having servers that they won't be able to access will INCREASE confusion not decrease it.

 

Most all of your points center on the real time communications capabilities of HL. I agree that real time comms are good. I disagree that separate server lists can be anything but a schism for multiplayer.

 

Real time comms are under consideration. Why not try supporting that effort instead of looking to 'go backwards'

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=859465&postcount=12

[Protos]

:/ whatever with yours and fusions 'quotes' ....

soon you guys will start posting Haiku poems .... and offering it up in support of HL.

 

Fact is that your unable to adapt. Not unexpected from someone who is in love with Hyperlobbys 'Free' chat.

 

That last thing new pilots to this or any sim want is another program to install/learn/have running in the background.

 

But its pretty clear that 'talking @$#! ' on a 'Free' chat is more important to you = which is why I don't see you supporting adding realtime communications features to the current ED server browser.

 

All evidence points to more pilots flying now WITHOUT HL .

Thats not a quote.

Just fact.

[Protos]

we speak later in Hyperlobby :D

 

Nahh ... hardly ever turn it on anymore except to talk to old friends.

:beer:

 

Was that you last night in 104th's server ?