ERI In Multiplayer

[Oscar]

That mod unfairness to russian plane.

 

How? If you're going to make a statement like this - support it with "real" facts and not opinions.

 

Put the mod to the test. Server Admin's load it up. Run it for a couple of weeks and then evaluate/analyze the experience and report back.

[71st_Mastiff]

so is the data link for the russian planes.

 

My Vote is NO!

That mod unfairness to russian plane.:mad:

[Pilotasso]

you can argue all day long, reason has gotten out of the window by now.

[Maximus]

you can argue all day long, reason has gotten out of the window by now.

 

+1.

[Insanatrix]

you can argue all day long, reason has gotten out of the window by now.

 

Yep pretty much, Either use it or don't.

[Frostie]

You all not getting the point here. Everytime all of you are talking around the table but not seeing the real core problem.

 

IT IS NOT WHAT IS IMPLEMENTED, IT IS HOW THAT IS DONE OR ACHIEVABLE! (the door is open wide, cuz its not implemeted by the devs in the core itself)

 

let me try to explain you all in a way what might help flashing the :idea::

 

7.
if target shoot ET = play sound et.ogg
if target loose lock = play sound lol.ogg
if target lock me EOS = play sound lolrealism.ogg

 

you get the drift?

 

This worries me, to come from someone who was in close touch with one of the biggest FC1 fiddlers known to the community.

What does this mean that ERI can be tweaked to make unrealistic advantages?

I know this is the issue with LEAVU and my reason for not wishing to see such a tool in servers but are you saying this is also the case with ERI?

 

What we have now is a fairly secure simulation that was previously plagued with a myriad of accusations from print screening to live tacview.

Thanks to IC those accusations and elements of doubt have all but disappeared.

Why risk breaking a working Sim?

The F-15 rules the sky, it has always ruled the sky, but now in FC2 it has the weapon to help even the noobiest guy become an ace without the need for automation.

 

I'd love to see Tacview running on servers this is a tool that brings so much to you immediately after your flight but because of the latest ability to watch it live its now cast out of servers, and rightly too.

If there is a door opened by allowing ERI then its best left shut.

[GGTharos]

So nice to see fearmongering and unjust accusations flying around again. Not.

 

ERI uses local data - and so does LEAVU. I don't see how anyone arrived at the possibility of such things being done when a) the server prevents anything than local data being used (Good one AS, I can always count on you to spread unqualified FUD as usual) and IC prevents the script from being altered.

 

If you're really worried about a hole, tacview would be it - it requires global exports. But then again, if it is IC'ed and 'locked', what's the problem?

[MoGas]

It looks funny now, the comments about ERI LOL. I wonder why the dot in the sky was made for FC1.12? This was right?

 

And I know that some of you like to call F-15 pilots noobs, like I read in our chat history from our server, this is getting patetic and not ERI or FC2.0 at all.

 

;)

[Pilotasso]

This worries me, to come from someone who was in close touch with one of the biggest FC1 fiddlers known to the community.

What does this mean that ERI can be tweaked to make unrealistic advantages?

I know this is the issue with LEAVU and my reason for not wishing to see such a tool in servers but are you saying this is also the case with ERI?

 

What we have now is a fairly secure simulation that was previously plagued with a myriad of accusations from print screening to live tacview.

Thanks to IC those accusations and elements of doubt have all but disappeared.

Why risk breaking a working Sim?

The F-15 rules the sky, it has always ruled the sky, but now in FC2 it has the weapon to help even the noobiest guy become an ace without the need for automation.

 

I'd love to see Tacview running on servers this is a tool that brings so much to you immediately after your flight but because of the latest ability to watch it live its now cast out of servers, and rightly too.

If there is a door opened by allowing ERI then its best left shut.

 

wow so much repressed anti F-15 anger...

Show me evidence of ONE flanker pilot flying F-15's with any degree of improvement compared to his plane of choice.

 

Frostie make up a case based on actual facts, not vague claims just to launch suspicions rampant.

 

Fly and deal with it mate.

[159th_Viper]

Caesar's Ghost........9 pages :music_whistling:

 

What could possibly be the harm of implementing a feature on one's server? At best it caters for variety......At worst, don't attend the server if you're adverse to the mods installed/features provided.

 

:doh:

[Pilotasso]

This isnt just about ERI. ;)

[104th_Crunch]

Security will be the same if you use ERI as it is now. Just file check export.lua and the ERI files. There is no new security hole opened up.

[Case]

Another thread hijacked by the F-15 mafia.

 

1.5. - Threads and posts are to be on topic according to the forum section and thread title.

 

If even moderators can't be tempted to keep a thread on topic, why would you expect someone to actually be willing to work on a solution to the problem posed in this thread.

 

So much for fair and balanced moderating.

 

Honestly, anyone that wants ERI allowed on his favourite server should take these issues to the admin of that server. Starting a thread like this on the ED forums will turn it into the rant we've seen over a dozen times before.

[Pilotasso]

yes, I agree about what you said about ERI however your not helping either by invoking the "F-15 mafia" theme.

[Moa]

Well, the current state of play unfortunately disables external dials, hardware etc. For me personally is not just about the F-15 radar.

 

Server admins don't do it because they think there is such vehement opposition. This thread is an attempt to gauge the feeling and standardize local (only aircraft only) data export in a way that is acceptable to everyone, and everyone gets a chance to comment. If someone knows of an exploit involving the ERI exports now would be a good time to let us know so Bvoiash doesn't waste development time on improving/standardizing RI if it won't be accepted. That is what this thread is about.

Edited August 6, 2010 by Moa

[159th_Viper]

This isnt just about ERI. ;)

 

No shite......that right there's the problem!

 

...What I'm trying to achieve with this thread is to get ERI to be allowed in all of those servers that the different squadrons run, servers that currently do not support the mod....

 

Simple enough ;)

 

Server Admins can decide whether to run the mod, alternatively not. Everything else is irrelevant, futile and bordering on the ridiculous....all 10 pages worth :P

[Frostie]

wow so much repressed anti F-15 anger...

 

Fly and deal with it mate.

I don't understand your reply, where do you see anti F-15?

 

Show me evidence of ONE flanker pilot flying F-15's with any degree of improvement compared to his plane of choice.

What has a someone's ability in an F-15 who always chooses a Flanker in this game got to do with anything relevant to what I posted?

 

Fly and deal with it mate.

Deal with what?

I do fly without a problem and there has been no issue for me to deal with, why would there be FC2 runs sweet.

 

Frostie make up a case based on actual facts, not vague claims just to launch suspicions rampant.

I haven't posted any case, just asked some valid questions from a previous poster who claims to know something I for one don't, deal with it.

[Moa]

Is there a known exploit A.S.? yes or no is sufficient - although the details would certainly be interesting. Thanks.

[X-man]

Server admins, please post here if you would to do the same with your server please.

 

I think I would have to say no... Tacview has been shown to have performance hits due to the massive amount of data being recorded (much more than in FC1). As for ERI, Im not sure it has been tested fully, but a trail period could maybe be organized so we can at least see what the effect it has on the majority of the clients. But I will have to speak with the rest of my Squadron for all of this...

[Pilotasso]

I don't understand your reply, where do you see anti F-15?

 

 

 

Right here.

 

The F-15 rules the sky, it has always ruled the sky, but now in FC2 it has the weapon to help even the noobiest guy become an ace without the need for automation.

 

 

 

 

Regarding LOMAC this claim is FALSE. Nothing more than melodrama in your post, perhaps you feel frustrated and want to get it out? Everyone knows the difference between american and russian weapons in FC1. It was not by chance most people preferred the mig for high scores.

 

Your claim is false again in FC2. Theres lots of people asking for help, even known F-15 fliers. Mind to find the threads and realize this.

If you look at available scores in RAF stats there's exactly 8 people with kill ratio above 2, that among hundreds. And all of them fly russian planes, vast majority of the others are 1:1 or less. So it seems the F-15 is not a plane for noobs. (in fact I can count with the fingers of my hands the number of poeple who can hold of their own with a higher kill ratio than this) You shown not even a shred of evidence of what you claim but your happy about hurting the community like this.

 

Same for ERI. Get the facts, and avoid insinuating questions.

Edited August 7, 2010 by Pilotasso

[104th_Crunch]

I think I would have to say no... Tacview has been shown to have performance hits due to the massive amount of data being recorded (much more than in FC1). As for ERI, Im not sure it has been tested fully, but a trail period could maybe be organized so we can at least see what the effect it has on the majority of the clients. But I will have to speak with the rest of my Squadron for all of this...

 

Great, thanks for having a look to form an opinion. Testing is always good. Tacview performance is questionable yes, unfortunately.

 

ha ha Case, I had to make this up quick :) Lighten the mood.

[X-man]

Testing is always good

I have not tried ERI at all so I definitely need to test performance on my machine. I know you guys had exports open in the initial weeks, but the people running ERI did that of own will. So people with lower end machines didn't necessarily use it. No if we were to introduce it as part of the IC, then all pilots will obviously be forced to run this lua script.

 

I have some bad experiences with crashes and lua scripts, no matter how "light" they were suppose to be. So Im not overly convinced that ERI will work out for all.

[Pilotasso]

ERI doesnt impact performance AFAIK, TACVIEW recording onto the HD might.

[X-man]

ERI doesnt impact performance AFAIK, TACVIEW recording onto the HD might.

Im not talking about just fps performance. Stuttering and CTD increase with certain lua scripts, even though I cant explain it with CPU or HDD hits...

[Case]

Remember that any tests done with ERI in FC2 has been done where export.lua was not IC'ed. Hence only clients having installed it actually used ERI. This is very different from enforcing ERI as part of the files to be IC'ed as every client will have it running. We don't know if this will impact gameplay, it might, and it might not, we just don't know.

 

This also brings up the problem that no one mentioned before. What if you want to fly the F-15 but do not want to use ERI? If ERI or what ever mod is forced onto the clients through the integrity check, should you not at least give the client the opportunity to say if he wants it or not?